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Old 03-20-2014   #1
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Mind Blown: How to wrap a cable

You know those stupid little things you see or hear that completely change your perspective. I'm pretty sure this technique will work for bowlines and reduce the number of kinks. Now all of you can follow up with how you already do that or an even better way to keep your bowline from kinking. Experiments will ensue...


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Old 03-20-2014   #2
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I've used this method for years on cords, garden hoses and yes rope. It takes good practice and a feel for what the cord/rope wants to do. Many time there are already twists in the line so you might need 2 clockwise twists then 1 counter then 1-1 then 1-2 or whatever the case may be.

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Nice, I'll have to try that second technique. I think most people who have sailed learn the first technique pretty quickly. You can also rotate the rope while you coil it, but that's harder.
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Old 03-20-2014   #4
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Thanks for sharing. That is quite the elegant solution. Should transfer nicely to most ropes with a kermantle weave.

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Old 03-20-2014   #5
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Just make sure that when you grab the coil the free end doesn't get pulled through the center or you will get an equal number of overhand knots as loops in the rope.

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Old 03-20-2014   #6
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I like to daisy chain all of mine. They come apart easily and I can pull out just how much I need. I do start the daisy chain from one end, then remember to start taking it apart from the rabbit ears.
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Old 03-20-2014   #7
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I've always done a small butterfly coil, I think I still can just add in the reverse loops at the same time. It should help with my rescue line as well. That one gets kinked all to hell and always when you are in a hurry to use it.
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Old 03-20-2014   #8
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Both techniques known to sailors and riggers, and Phillip is correct, they work with any kernmantle rope or wire. Neither eliminates need for TriBri1's good diagram of how to end your coil, used for all bow lines on rafts since before time began...
Back to rope: climbers know what you're trying to eliminate is twist. The techniques shown minimize it, but nothing truly eliminates except letting a rope dangle full length over a void. I've often cast my 100' bow line into the river and let it untangle, throw bag ropes even more frequently. Just bear in mind when you coil back up that likely you are introducing - not eliminating - twist. Both techniques minimize it - and there are others!

Edit: In TriBri1's diagram, instead of bringing free end back through the loop over the coils, just feed the coil over both sides of the rope and snug down so that you can pull up and over to free the whole mess. Wish I had a picture!
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Old 03-20-2014   #9
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Coiling Unattached Rope | Gasket Coil for Unattached Rope | Rope Care Knots

Looks like Grog refers to it as a gasket coil. It is a good finish for the coil, but it is not 100% foolproof, it is possible for it to work itself out.

I have a short strap that lives on the bow, and after coiling the rope I strap it to the boat by going around the top of the coil. I believe this makes a 100% foolproof coil.
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I need to do this with my 100' air hose for my compressor in the garage. It's always a mess and I find myself dragging it out straight down the culdesac to fix it.

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