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Old 11-14-2013   #21
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Originally Posted by ob1coby View Post
Cant seem to find any info. Where can I see them?
There was a Craigslist Ad with pictures in the first post, but it has expired. Hopefully they will post up more info, pictures, or a website on here so we can get a better look at the products. The frame is quite different & intriguing. I'd like to see more.

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Old 11-14-2013   #22
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I found them here
2013 SunSport custom whitewater Cataraft

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Old 11-14-2013   #23
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Props to you for having a thick skin and responding with real information--not defensive, not propaganda. I'd love to see these on the Lochsa next season, let us know if you'll be over there.
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Old 11-14-2013   #24
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Originally Posted by lhowemt View Post
That is too good to be true.
Props to a new american made product. lhowemt is big on calling out the "haters". Seams like making fun of the guys name falls in the "haters" category, especially now we know this guys story. How making fun of a guys name has anything to do with discussion of the product is beyond me.

I wish the new biz all the success.
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Old 11-14-2013   #25
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Originally Posted by upshitscreek View Post
sweet. it has the same "class V rating" as a scadden boat.
sunsport, to expand on my comment. if you are looking for legitimacy in the whitewater world, i would recommend you staying away from dave scadden's marketing model of bullshit. there is no such thing as a Class V Rating. it's just something Scadden made up to sell noobs a shitty boat and something clueless newbs brag about to their equally clueless fishing buddies. problem is that when you get caught with one bit of BS then everything becomes suspect to people who know better too.

(just ask eric leaper the next time he shows up around here again. of course, you'll just a get 2000 word non-answer w/ book plug from him but that's not really the point)

from your response, you and your product sound hopefully above that so good luck.

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Old 11-14-2013   #26
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Originally Posted by SunSport View Post
First, as the title says, I really appreciate your comments/criticism/encouragement.

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Asotin, WA
Howdy Mr. Clark!

I would love to see some more of that frame. It is quite different from what I am used to seeing. Do you have any other shots of it you could share with us?

Good luck with your venture bud!

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Old 11-15-2013   #27
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Originally Posted by shappattack View Post

Props to a new american made product. lhowemt is big on calling out the "haters". Seams like making fun of the guys name falls in the "haters" category, especially now we know this guys story. How making fun of a guys name has anything to do with discussion of the product is beyond me.

I wish the new biz all the success.
Oh lighten up. If he had been a fake like so many others, it would have been pretty ironic.

Welcome to the Buzz, where we get plenty of posers trying to hawk their gear (or bash others) using less than legit methods. If you are legit, cool! Nice to see people making gear. There certainly is a need for boating equipment made in the US.
I am a river, babe - I've got plenty of time, I don't know where I'm going, I'm just following the lines..... - "We are water" by Shaye
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Old 11-15-2013   #28
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Mr SunSport,

are the inner bladders connected together or separate?

I sure don't like the way Aire connects theirs with a zipper internally. Plus they stuff a ton of extra material in there and put some sort of freaky fabric in there --- stuff that doesn't dry out when you pull your boat out of the water.

after every trip I need to unzip my tubes, get a vacuum cleaner blower hose in there, and blast it with air until it dries out. would be a lot nicer if there was an easy way to guarantee moisture doesn't stay in the tubes, especially between the outer pvc and the inner urethane bladder. Northwest mildew is brutal in the funk department ...
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Old 11-18-2013   #29
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Howdy –
There’s been a few questions regarding my tubes and frames (even the legitimacy of my company) that I’d like to address – and thanks again to everyone for your interest.
My 11-mil air-holding urethane bladders don’t employ zippers or baffles. In the interest of simplicity and reliability, I’ve engineered a segmented design, separating the bladder into two (or more) chambers –all fed by Leafield C7 valves. The reasoning is that if damage does occur to the urethane (not really likely, I believe), patching is fairly easy and straightforward. If the damage is such that patching is impossible, it’s best to replace the bladder altogether….they’re not that expensive.
Water entrainment into the shell is common to the zippered design. My additional full-length hook & loop enclosure does help to restrain moisture, as well as sand/grit from entering…but I do open the shell at the end of the season and let it air-dry for a day or two. Here in Eastern Washington, the mold/mildew issue isn’t as severe as west of the Cascades, but it can be a concern. I am working to employ a water resistant coating on the overlapping hook strip….but even then it won’t be completely watertight.
One gentleman suggested I avoid the use “Class V”….I can’t disagree with that. My intent was to convey the design toughness and reliability of my tubes/frames. I guess there really isn’t a Class V…..rapids are either technically mild, difficult, or pucker-factor OMG!!! Agreed?
There was a really good question regarding handles for the passenger seat(s) – with no cross-bar, my passenger usually grabs the bottom of the seat – it’s an all-metal seat pan, and very rigid. Feet are braced on the aft lateral ribs. However, I can see the need to engineer additional structure onto the pass. seat pedestal …..not difficult, just a little more fab work (abundant thanks for the input!). Dry-boxes and coolers are secured the keel beam and lower side rails via bolt-on brackets and cam-lock straps.
I’ve had several questions regarding pricing….it’s been difficult to arrive at a reasonable price for my goods. On average, prices for tubes run 15% - 20% less than comparable tubes (AIre, NRS, Sotar, Maravia). Please call/write for prices....509-243-1640 or
All tubes are made with exactly the same processes, quality and materials. They all feature dual chambers (three chambers can be implemented…depends on the customer requirements).
Additionally, I can custom-fab a pair of tubes to your specifications – that goes for the frame, too.
There are many colors available – white, yellow (two shades), orange, purple, red, blue (3 shades), grey, black, turquoise (3 shades), green (3 shades), brown, & tan. All tubes are color-matched to the frame powder coat, unless otherwise specified.
Also, please call me regarding frame pricing – they tend to run a little more then comparable size frames due the the extensive welding, fitting, color-matched power-coating, full-length deck and sawyer cobra oar-locks. I also mill/TIG weld my own oarlocks – very stiff and adjustable fore-aft and inbd/outbd.
I hope I have addressed most of the questions.
A new web-site is in the works….I’ll post a notification (for those interested) when it’s up and running….probably by Christmas.
I’ve attached a few pictures, hope they are clear.
The blue boat/frame is the 15' X 25" Lochsa, Yellow boat/frame is the Little salmon 13' X 20", the red boat/frame is the Joey 10' X 18".
Also included is a pic of my SunSport original digital rotary hot air welder, and a view of my somewhat crowded shop - quite a toy store!
Again, the website will be reloaded soon - apologies for the inconvenience of no URL site for my goods.

Thanks and respect to everyone.
Maynard Clark
SunSport Design & Mfg.

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Old 11-18-2013   #30
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How much does the red one in your photo above, cost?

I like what I'm seeing and I'm glad the bladders are thicker than 3 mil. Do you plan to have any demo boats available in Colorado? Maybe you could work a deal with someone like CKS or River Rat Rays to help promote your product. Just a thought.

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