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Old 01-30-2015   #21
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Originally Posted by GratefulOne View Post
Brandon, and Folks at Hyside, Ya'll Rock!!! Thank you for everything you do! That's a kick ass offer and I wish more companies shared your attitude , professionalism, and bomb-proof product design! the mini max was probably the best purchase ive ever made!!! May you all be blessed with abundant snowpack and sustained run-off! Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words! We could definitely use some snowpack or any moisture for that matter, here in CA.

Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman View Post
Wish I had known I would be eligible for a hyside pro deal. Been guiding for CrabApple Whitewater for the past decade. We primarily use hysides. Nice light boats. However in the past few years my boss/owner has not been happy with the quality of Hysides made after 2008. I have lost tips on commercial runs due to a blown out tube, and multiple glue failures on the knuckle-pin thwart set up ( sucks having a swimmer due toe failed glue). CrabApple has be experimenting and switching over to NRS brand boats.

I chose my aire super puma based on dimensions and weight more than cost. Just a great boat for R1, R2 on our low volume runs. And can load it up. Paddled a tributary on the main salmon and other idaho runs. We beat the hell out of it, and portaged it through brush/ rocks. The tributary looks to have similar materials to the aire line, just not " made in USA".

It really is a toss up, all the major brand boats have good/bad.
FlyingDutchman, yes, bummer! If you or any employees there ever need any gear, give us a ring.

We did have floor issues on some 2008 boats, but it was an isolated incident and we've warrantied any issues that arose from that.

We've also since re-engineered the thwart knuckles to adhere better from the start, but for many outfitters that rarely remove thwarts, we just recommend fixed attachments. Less moving parts to worry about.

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Old 01-30-2015   #22
Lakewood, Colorado
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I would still say go with a '14er. Go with a good brand and get a used one. Noah's Arc (guide outfit on the Arkansas) always has a good deal at about $2500 of their used boats. A friend of mine got one and it was in great shape. I hauled a 14' in my Outback for years. Roll the boat and put it in the back and strap the frame on top (with the oars). Worked fine for me for years until I got a trailer. I have an 14' Aire. I really like Aire but they can be a pain to patch while geared up and on the river.

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Old 02-02-2015   #23
Grand Junction, Colorado
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Very tempted to grab one of these is a handful of patches on a commercially used boat a BAD IDEA?

12' Maravia Wild Side
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Old 02-02-2015   #24
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12'? Sure, if you plan to buy a bigger raft in the next year or so...You'll outgrow at 12 footer in no time - even if it is just you and the girl right now. Tell you're friends what a great time you had and they'll want to go with on your next float. That's not to say smaller boats don't have their place in a fleet - people love sporty boats - but most of the folks I know who have smaller rafts also have a 14'-16' (or larger) raft for single/multi-night trips.

Maravia's are good boats, but so are Riken's, Hyside's, Avon's and NRS's. I'd try to find an older self-bailing one - even the 25+ year old boats still have another 20+ years of life in them if they are even remotely cared for.

Just my 2-cents. There's another recent thread on here about boat size, older boats, and tight budgets... And, by the looks of this thread, people with a little more money (than your budget) really like their pumas.
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Old 02-03-2015   #25
Glenwood Springs, Colorado
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Chris ...look at my thread on rolling a puma...the is a guy ... johnovice that has a Non posted sitar 12ST he wants to sell... I looked at mini ax, outfitter 12, puma , and super puma as well ended up going with a newvSotar 12ST...also boat western CO and Utah.. let me know when you get your boat and maybe we can get a run together., I have same issue in needing something that is easy to transport...good luck...
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Old 02-03-2015   #26
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Chris .. the other one I looked at was a Maravia Spider 13, narrow like the puma...cascade outfitters... it had
S a twist and some cosmetic issues??? I did not go with it because of rollability... but nice boat and good price.... I'm trying trying to figure how how I'm going g to make my Honda fit work for all this ...
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Old 02-04-2015   #27
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Your a guide...,,you got 2k to buy a boat.....mostly gonna be a paddle boat.......a oar rig for a few 2 night trips.

Well seems to me pro price on a brand new hyside mini max is very close to your budget.


1 new boat with warrenty ...get the color you want

2 great r2 paddle boat ....good r3-5 boat ....paddleboat was stated primary use.

3. Rolls small and light

4 ability to mount oar rig and do 2 night backpacker style overnights

5 excellent resale when you get your dream boat.


1 limited functionality as a oar rig

2 better for smaller loads R2 sweet spot

I love my min max.....very fun boat.....very versatile

good luck finding your first boat.

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Old 02-12-2015   #28
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Originally Posted by cschmidt1023 View Post
After perusing these forums for awhile I have decided to join and ask the experts to help me find my first raft. To start the sizes I'm looking at are 11-13 foot range. I am looking for something that will be mostly paddled in Western CO/UT, but will also row it in the desert. I plan on mostly doing day trips, but want to be able to do 1 or 2 nighters. I'm ok with going in backpacking style for the time being. This is not the boat of my dreams I will have in ~10 years just something to hold me over until then. I'm very ok with going used (and probably have to) but don't want to end up throwing 2K down the toilet.

I am a poor raft guide/ski instructor so price is THE major factor. I don't have a truck or a trailer and can't afford one anytime soon, just a 99 subaru outback. If I can't strap the boat on top of the car I will have to roll it. I have room in my house/garage to store it indoors and inflated. I have been thoroughly checking Craigslist, KSL, and here to try and find a good used boat with no luck so far. Am I correct to assume early spring more quality used boats will be available?

All these factors point me towards an AIRE Super Puma or a Hyside Outfitter 12. But I haven't seen much used and the retail is a bit steep unless I qualify for pro deal (my boss only has an NRS catalog with NRS/Tributary). RMR looks pretty intriguing as I could afford one new, but I am open to almost any suggestions!

Thanks in advance,
Any luck on finding anything, hit me up if not shoot me a email at or text me @ nine seven zero 6 one 5 zero 0 one 1.

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Old 02-12-2015   #29
OTR, Colorado
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Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman View Post
Green super puma on subaru
Nice shot at the Red Rose!
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Old 02-28-2015   #30
Grand Junction, Colorado
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Ended up getting a 14' Trib on closeout, too good of a deal to pass up. It is bigger than I wanted, but now I won't have to upsize or rent 5-10 years down the road if I get a Grand permit.

Now I'm wondering what to do for a frame. In a perfect world it will be cheap, easily upgrade-able, and possible to break down for storage.

I would like to start with 2 bays just to be able to row Ruby Horsethief cheaply, but I want the option to eventually expand it (probably to 4). Is that a pretty easy thing to be able to do or do I need to suck it up and just buy a 3 or 4 bay frame?

The only frames I have ever rowed have (wood or diamond plate) floors in the rowers compartment, and the multi day frames I have rowed have diamond plate down the sides. I would like at least one of these features eventually. Is it pretty easy to make either or both of these upgrades in the future?

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