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Old 08-10-2016   #11
 
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I'm old and fat. I believe that if you are bringing a raft, bring good chow and a cot.

I have an REI cot that I got a few years ago that has a sleeve in the bed that holds a Thermarest securely in place. On raft trips I bring along a pillow and get the best night's sleep I've ever gotten outdoors.

On light packing canoe trips I leave it at home and use a fleece stuffed in a fleece lined stuff sack for a pillow and don't sleep as well.

When I backpack I use a Ridgerest or ZRest type of pad and don't sleep well at all.

My Cot is no longer made, but there are cots out there that fold up/break down into a long tube and have a sleeve to hold a pad in place.

A fabric decked cot, without a pad, is really cold in the shoulder seasons, but cooler in the summer. I use it a lot in the shoulder seasons and the pad is necessary. particularly with a down bag.

The Cot is really, really nice to have, but one of the first things I leave at home when I switch from a 14' raft to a 14' or 16' canoe.

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Old 08-10-2016   #12
 
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Comment on ducky - my son sleeps in that and does well. Obviously though, it's not practical if you are bringing it solely to sleep on and as a couch as you need to inflate it every day.
thats what your son is for!

You also have to set your cot up and take it down every day, as well as about 2 tons of other crap if you are doing a conventional raft trip. That being said, I also favor the roll-a-cot for sleeping outside to keep off the ground and allow for air flow when its hot as stated above. Also totally water proof, the mesh does not absorb water. Also great for camping on sand beaches, sand falls through the mesh and you are up off of it. Great for winter too, to keep of the ground and keep your bed clean when in the tent with the wood stove with no floor.

There are a lot of nice 4" thick air mats now that blow up real easy, especially with your top off pump. They are just as comfortable as a pad with a cot and pack way smaller/lither than a pad/cot combo. If its not hot at night and I am using a tent, the pad is the preferred method (I have a new exped pad for this, but Big Agnes makes some real nice thick blow up pads too). Also a side sleeper here too.

















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Not sure I'd say that the roll-a-cot takes several minutes to set up. I'd say I can set one up in under a minute- there are a couple tricks to doing it quickly. To me the biggest negative of the roll-a-cot is the Al Oxide that gets all over your hands after some use. 7 lbs is a pretty major weight difference! That REI one must be a beast!
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Old 08-10-2016   #14
 
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Roll a cot - 10 lbs. REI is 17 lbs. If I am backpacking, 7 lbs. is an enormous difference. If rafting with 14' raft, it's not a difference that means much of anything.

Main difference to me was REI cot is much less expensive than roll a cot is. Secondarily, it was nice that it sets up faster. REI one will absorb a bit of water though (no big deal if sunny, but won't dry as quickly if raining all day), just don't care given I sleep on thermarest.
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I bought these tent cots several years ago. Great if you snore and the wife doesn't want to be in a tent with you. Cot and tent can be used separately as well. Cot is very big and comfortable although a friend bought one last year and said it is a couple of inches skinnier than the older model. Tents have held up well even after multiple uses by my teenagers. Sets up/breakdown in probably two or three minutes. Highly recommended!

Tent Cot Collapsible Combo Tent Cot - Walmart.com
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I'd like the looks of that tent cot better if the inner tent was mostly mesh, is it a steam box with the fly on?
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I'd like the looks of that tent cot better if the inner tent was mostly mesh, is it a steam box with the fly on?
It's generally cold enough on most CO rivers where that doesn't matter. If I;ve used in Moab and Ruby but never really hot times. Go without on a hot night. I do this as long as rain isn't in forecast.
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I have a ton of metal reinforcements and healed broken bones that do not line up inside my well used bod. Which means sleeping comfort is very important to me.

I am a long time fan of Roll A Cots. Super durable and mine after many years of use still work like new. I ended up buying one of their extra wide extra long units and it is max comfort on raft trips. I am a long time fan of Jacks Plastic Paco silverback. On top of the Roll A Cot. It is pure comfort. Since Thermarest came out with a 4 inch thick version, I have used that as well and it is also pure comfort.

Go to Amazon and search for Kamp-Rite Insect Protection System. The only cot insect setup that works for me. The system also has a tarp that works for me in light rain, but failed me on a Colorado River late night wind, rain, lightning event. But put this net up on my Roll A Cot and life is good when the bugs are out.

I recently opted for a Catoma Adventure Tents Lone Rider solo + tent. Awesome fast pitch, laughed at a Smith River MT all night thunder boomer storm. I attempted to put a Roll A Cot inside this tent and finally made it fit but not recommended. So I looked for low to the ground cot to use inside this tent. Purchased several that did not work for me. Then I found Helinox Cot 1. Paid the price for Cot 1 and hoped for the best. What I found was this cot is just awesome. It is low to the ground, but very light weight and after a couple years use is still solid as a rock. Big Agnes now carries Helinox and for me Helinox is the best lasting light weight furniture out there.

So, my final setups are. A big Alps tent, Roll A Cot inside with Paco Silverback or thick thermarest. Or outside the tent I add the Kamp - Rite insect net for buggy nights.
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if going lighter a Helinox Cot 1 with Thermarest 4 inch pad. I do have a ultra ight Big Agnes solo tent for light weight or the Catoma Lone Rider for big time storm protection.

I have a couple IK's in the fleet but have not self supported out of them. Having seen the photos, my next Salt River self support might be the IK for load carrying and sleeping.
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Oooohhhhh Baby!
I sleep better on this than I do home. I roll it and pack it next to my spare oar.
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My experience with Alps gear is that for the money their products are hard to beat. Plus a lot of times outfits will run sales on Alps gear that makes them even cheaper to buy.

I have that Alps cot as well and it is comfy and a great low price for a bomber cot setup.
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