Originally Posted by funrivers
IMHO RMR = POS! We saw a trip going through Cramer a couple of weeks ago and noticed one raft carrying a single RMR cat tube.
RMR and Saturn prove that you get what you pay for. Both products are unsuitable for serious water. You are putting a group at risk by bringing one of these on a trip! Save your money and find a quality used boat.
Don't paint RMR with the same brush as Saturn. That a tube failed on a cat on a trip that you saw doesn't mean much to be honest.
Some buddies of mine R2ed a 12 foot RMR raft down Marsh Creek this spring the day before the Middle Fork peaked so it was six feet plus. Knowing that it had tons of wood in it I was concerned. The boys tagged two logs ( one pretty hard they said ) and not a mark on the boat that I could see. Certainly nothing that needed to be patched.
We also had a 14 footer on the Selway early June. The biggest problem was the PRV seemed to leak a little more than we wanted, so the floor needed to be topped every day.
You do all this boat bashing without even saying what the issue was: what happened? The way you say it suggests they hit something in Powerhouse. There is a rock in there that has ended much, much more expensive boats than RMR. Did they not have enough patch material? The tube left on it's own? Just jumped out of the frame and ran home?
Some things in your story don't add up. You could see the tube from the road(?) enough to know it was a RMR tube apparently? Was it not rolled up? Were they using it outrigger style to make a trimaran type set up?
If I had a cat tube to transport off the river I would likely roll it up and put it down in the floor but that is just me. I was skeptical at first but put some honest evaluation into these boats and I like them.
For reference: in the days I used to loan my Maravia - a buddy on a fall trip put an 8 inch by 8 inch L shaped tear in the left rear quarter below Velvet. Have no idea how they did that, but they did. Doing all the low water floats that I do, I carry enough material to patch an 8 to 10 foot floor rip in case I meet that boat killer in Powerhouse or the one in Pistol - so they had plenty of material. And I have to say for suspecting that there was serious drugs and alcohol involved they did a decent patch. And then left my repair kit on the beach - they whined about replacing it as it cost them $270 for what I had in that kit but they did.
We also put the same kind of hole only larger in an Avon Adventurer at the bottom of Shotgun on the day stretch of the Main Salmon.
I didn't blame the boat either time, but if that serves you go for it.