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Old 11-22-2015   #1
Nye, Montana
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12.5' sotar legend cat xustomization

I have been researching the sotar legend 12.5' cats. From what I've read, the load capacity is 568 pounds. I'm 300 so that won't be enough for 3-4 day overnighters.

What do y'all thing about having sotar make me a 13' with 23.5" tubes. Using my redneck math skills, it appears that should up the load capacity to around 750 pounds.

Is it possible to get a dry box/drop bad and a 105 qt+ cooler on a 13' cat? My plan is to get a day trip frame and a frame that could accommodate a cooler and dry box.

On over nighters, it would be just me on the cat and on day trips it might have one passenger from time to time.

Obviously, I'm in no rush to purchase one, since it wont be used until early may. I've been looking at drl gypsies and there prices seem pretty good and they have a 13.5' sotar cat for a good price, but am wanting to stay as small as possible. Goal is to be able to throw the 2 cats on a 8.5' flatbed truck and roll. No need for a trailer.

Any information that anyone has would be appreciated. I read a few posts here about the 12.5' cats but haven't found too much info. Any threads that anyone has on the subject, please post them here.


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Old 11-22-2015   #2
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if you want to load a boat like that, you are going to need a bigger boat. like a 14' with big tubes.

a small cat loaded that heavy will not handle worth a darn.

ever heard the saying "can't get there from here"?

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Old 11-22-2015   #3
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Ok. I really want a play boat. My brother and I are both buying new. How about a 13'x23'23.5" cat and a 13.5' sotar Raft? We both are into more technical rivers. Of course trips on the salmon rivers, hells canyon and Alaska rivers are on the horizon as permits are won.

Drl has a 13.5'x23.5" and a 14'x23". Those seem big. I think you are right about a 13' and multi days. An overloaded cat defeats the purpose of having a cat.

I sold my 14.5 Raft. It was great and I could bring anything I wanted but it was kind of boring on the north umpqua, stillwater and SF Payette. I want to flip or at least get wet lol. Smaller boats should be more fun or I guess I could just run bigger stuff...but that is scary.

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Old 11-22-2015   #4
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Big dude on small cats is the business. I say go 12' and leave all your unnecessary gear at home. Flipping is more fun when you don't have to worry about your shit being lost.
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Old 11-22-2015   #5
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Cool. They have a 12' wave destroyer. So a 12' destroyer and a 13.5-14.5' Raft. Gotta go big. I've been unemployed the last six months drinking beer, smoking weed, and rafting. Now I'm working. Should be down to 250-260 by may.

Guess go with 2 smallish cats and a big boat for multi days. Thanks guys.

12-13 foot destroyer vs 12.5-13' sotar legend. Does it matter for strictly play boat and single overnight trips.

They also have really good deal on nrs cool cats but reviews haven't been so good.
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Old 11-22-2015   #6
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Also why is load capacity for a sotar 12.5x22.5" 564 pounds at 1/3 submerged and a 12'x22" wave destroyer 830 pounds?

I'm guessing sotar uses 1/3 submerged and aire uses at weight when it sinks to bottom of river?
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Old 11-22-2015   #7
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I had a 13' Star raft that I sold because I cold not pack it for a 3-4 day trip w/o overloading it. Cats will hold significantly less gear than a raft and are much more sensitive to overloading. I upgraded to a 15' cat, it will hold the gear for a 6 day trip, but just barely. An overloaded raft is just a bit sluggish, a similarly overloaded cat is a wet pig that is barely steerable and so slow it can't keep up with the group.

My 15' cat has 19" tubes and would be dragging the floor in the water with a dry box, drop bag, and a 105 qt cooler (don't forget the 5gal water jugs you will need. Don't know where you paddle, but the water on many western rivers is not safe to drink.)

Some quick math..

assume your 105 qt cooler is 3/4 full of ice and beer
105 x .75 = 78.75
78.54 / 4 = 19.6 (convert quarts to gallons)
19.6 x 8.4 = 164.6 lbs (water weighs 8.4 lbs/gallon)

assume your full dry box weighs a bit less than the cooler = 150 lbs

assume you carry 1 gal water per person per day, 5 gallons = 42 lbs

assume the tubes and frame weigh something = 150 lbs

rower @ 300 lbs

running total = 806.6 lbs.... you're going to need a bigger boat.
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Old 11-22-2015   #8
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So why do various brand of boats have such different capacities when the tubes seem similar? The frame drop makes a big difference. The distance from the lower rails to the bottom of the tubes will vary greatly between frame designs.

One boat might be able to sink 6" before the floor is under water and another might have 10" of clearance. Each inch might be the equivalent of a 100 lbs of gear.

Rocker in the tube design also counts. Big rocker means the bow and stern are not contributing to flotation.
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Old 11-22-2015   #9
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Ya. Redneck math sucks. Thanks for the calculations.

I had a 13' Raft but it was definately overloaded with 2 dudes, a dog, and 3 to 4 days worth of gear. The 14.5' was awesome as far as being able to bring enough gear and beer without sacrificing maneuverability.

Yup. 2 12' or12.5' cats and a 14'+ Raft. I saw that the sotar St 14' is 76" wide and the sl is 80". The tubes on St are 20" vs 22"-17" on sl. I'm thinking a St stretched to 14.5" would work. My 14.5' Raft I sold was a Saturn. I'm tired of you guys talking shit in my boat so sold it and getting aire or sotar. Just joking. Just time to upgrade. It was a great boat and never had an issue.

It's time to look like a circus freak with multi colored sotar. Haha
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Old 11-22-2015   #10
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Look into the 14' or even 15' Wave Destroyer. They preform and feel smaller than the length would have you believe. I don't have much time in my 14' but it is definitely a play boat. Can still carry gear. Click image for larger version

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That's it next to my 15' raft.


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