Some good advice here, but some is a little flippant - no pun intended
Originally Posted by moetown
The rest of the rapids up until Hance are harmless for a good boatmen in an 18 footer.
Not sure how you define good, but I've seen a guy with four flip-less Grand runs under his belt flip at Badger.**** I don't know him and I'm sure he was a great guy but on that day he obviously was not a good boatmen. Badger is one of the easiest rapids to run. One need only row down the tongue and pull the sticks out of the water?? A good boatman can see the domer pourover on the right. I'm sure he would not put his Badger run in any other category than crap? No offense just saying. He's probably a better boatman now for making the mistake though. Did his run look like this?
By the way here's my run with the rassling team. I would say I suck too") jaja
Split the Horns at Horn creek and you significantly lessen the risk of flip.
That's always been my impression too. Not sure why people sometimes don't, maybe water levels other than the ones I've seen ? *** People prolly like the challenge of the right to left run, it takes a little more skill no doubt.
Down the Middle Right of the HOrns is just downright Rolling the Dice")!?!
The rest of the rapids until 231 & 232 are inconsequential for a good boatman and chances are she won’t have any problems.
Saw a guy taco his boat into the right wall at 205 and get trapped under it briefly. His good boatmen skills might be in question that day. I bet he was definitely a "better" boatmen after that though.
Knew a woman who drowned at 209.***She was a one of a kind. She had significant health problems. I am very sad she is gone. I think of her often.
I have heard of a lady and man over 90 go down on private trips. Also, One man with the most debilitating MS where he couldn't even regulate his temperature very well let alone walk. I was scared for him. He was in heaven! and completed the trip. 80 year olds commonly take commercial trips. 80 is the new 70")
If shes a logical commonsensical person the Colorado river is a very safe river to swim for a healthy person
Tell that to the Outside editor, a varsity swimmer for 4 years in college, who suffered a cardiac arrest during a Lava swim.
*****Where at first one might think only a prolific swimmer could survive such a swim? After further research He was accidentally run over by his well meaning and quite experienced rescue team and was trapped under two 18 foot boats in the eddy swimming against the current essentially keeping himself right underneath the raft that was now an 18 X 16 footprint above him. He was 71! The report I read said he drowned? Just like the Bowlers below, "One should always take the appropriate safety measures" We can all become better boaters after hearing about this story... I'm glad I did! The Team that Revived him are legend. Emergency Responders are priceless on trips.
American Whitewater - -SecurityGadget-explain
How did these guys survive the killer rapid?:0 Life Vests, flushing holes, and health! Also the river is deep and foot entrapment is very difficult as opposed to typical shallower Colorado Rivers and Creeks.
Had the 71 year Cahill swam to shore or the one boat he would not have had the life threatening issue he had.
The Bowlers advice was right on for boater too "One should always take the appropriate safety measures."
PLIGHT OF THE BOWLERS
Furthermore, Consumer protection advocates have released a study today showing that bowling-related deaths have seen a 100 percent increase through the first half of 2006 compared to the same period last year. From January 1, 2005 until June 30, 2005, combined data from the International Bowling Federation (IBF), the Consumer Protection Agency (CPA), the American Council of Surgeons (ACS) and Manny Kowalski from Beloit Lanes in Beloit, Wisconsin (Manny) record two bowling deaths whose primary cause was bowling or bowling equipment. The figure does not include deaths due to natural causes while bowling, deaths due to fights while bowling, or deaths due to bowling equipment while not bowling. Over the same period this year, there have been four bowling deaths due to bowling or bowling equipment
He underscored the fact that there is no reason to believe that this year’s massive rise in fatalities indicates that bowling at large has become unsafe and said he still bowls with his family two or three times a week. “As with any sport, however safe,” he added, “one should nevertheless always take appropriate safety measures.”
This was where Doane, 62, bowled the first 300 game of his life. This was where he received the hugs and high-fives. And this was where he turned to shake another hand and collapsed of a heart attack. “I often wonder if the 300 game caused it, or if would have happened anyway,” Frank Coletta, an 80-year-old with a 166 average, said between frames.
A man who worked at a popular Ohio bowling alley was crushed to death in a freak accident that has prompted an investigation by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
Bowling is a pretty safe sport with 2-4 people dying/year. Rafting the Colorado is a dangerous sport with 1 person dying/year?
Nonetheless, not trying to be frivolously disrespectful, shallow, or lacking in seriousness. Stating a fact that the on water activity of the Colorado is a relatively safe place to recreate. Off the boat, in camp, and out and about carries a little more risk. Alcohol is the #1 factor that will significantly increase healthy boaters odds to see serious injury or death below the rim. Especially for the young and seemingly healthy!
Over 50%(I've even heard 60% in some park stats... need more research to verify) of the population that goes down the Colorado River is over 60. I hear of 80 year old commercial clients all the time. Even with this fact are on river folks safer than bowling in Merica!?!?
Be safe out there! Not the gospel, just opinion.