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Old 04-28-2016   #1
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Aire Super Puma on MF Salmon this June?

Hi everyone - I've got a permit to float the MF June 9-14 and am currently planning logistics and if I need to rent some rafts...I've never floated it before but have a group that's done it twice, and a few experienced guides. Anyway, what are your thoughts about rafting the MF this year with a super puma? I have this raft and a NRS bighorn 1 and plan on fitting a cooler and drybox in the raft, as well as some gear and maybe one other person. I know the water may be big, and people tell me these boats can be prone to flipping in bigger water? I've never flipped this boat, but have never rowed it in conditions like we'll have this June. If people think this boat is too small for the MF maybe I should look into renting a wider, 14' boat? Or maybe I'm just thinking too much and should just go for it. Thanks

Also, we may be looking for an experienced group who's rafted the MF in early June flows. Pm me if you're interested in tagging along June 9-14

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Old 04-28-2016   #2
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Get a Saturn. They don't flip.

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Old 04-28-2016   #3
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When we ran the Middle Fork a few years back at 5 1/2 feet the guy with the Super Puma went bottoms up twice. He wasn't able to carry that much gear and his dry box and cooler seem to ride high. In all fairness he did tend to take his runs right in the meat. His Bowflower was completely over it by day four.
We are putting in June 8th this year. Might see you at BC. You never know what the flow will be but the snowpack has dropped from 118% down to 82% in the last month. I'm thinking/hoping/ crossing my fingers for 4ft and dropping.

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Old 04-28-2016   #4
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I wouldn't want to row a loaded puma with a passenger in those conditions. There are just too many big standing diagonal waves all the way down. That boat will likely go over at some point. But.. I really don't know you, so if your a mad man on the sticks with sick skills, Its not horrible idea - go for it.
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Old 04-28-2016   #5
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I ran it with the exact same setup in 2014 at 5.5. You could easily flip I'm not gonna lie but when I did it I was fairly green and I had zero issues just a ridiculous amount of fun
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Old 04-28-2016   #6
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my father once told me, "son, dont be a pussy".

ps. super puma dont flip check avitar
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Old 04-28-2016   #7
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My Puma has done the M.F. 3 times at lower water stages. It ran great. High water? If you have a good supporting group of boats with you for rescue help. Go for it. You are quite likely to do some swimming. I would also highly recommend a wetsuit or dry suit. That water is cold!
You have a great launch date. Have any Room?
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Old 04-28-2016   #8
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Rig to flip, dress to swim. You will have the best ride. Go for it. The weight will help. Rig low, have big boat support and a co pilot that you can re flip with. Go pro.
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Old 04-29-2016   #9
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....if you have to ask.........well you know the rest.
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Old 04-29-2016   #10
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Originally Posted by nastysauce View Post
my father once told me, "son, dont be a pussy".

ps. super puma dont flip check avitar
That is one of the best pics ever. Strong work.

To the OP. All depends on your skills and how good your drysuit is.

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