Originally Posted by AZJefe
You know that this is a clear violation of the permit regulations, right?
Since when is the permit fee not a group cost? I thought it was clear the $10 is a credit toward total group costs, not on top of group cost.
So lets say you win a Salt permit and you get 9 friends that say they will go on X date with you and they give you $10 as a deposit. You go ahead and pay the $185 so now you have spent $191 in group costs for 10 people. The water is fine so the group costs for permit and application are $19 each so they all owe $9 more.
Now say the trip has to cancel cause it's only 300 cfs. The same figures should still apply but in typical scenario half the people would not have given a dime or never get around to paying you, so at least by taking a deposit the permit holder isn't totally stiffed.
In yet another scenario the water is fine but Joe and Jill bail because they don't like the weather forecast. They should not get their money back, forcing everyone to pay more than was agreed on/expected - unless replacements for their spots are found.
I hope this makes sense and I hope people start owning up to their verbal commitments regarding permitted trips.