yeah fdon, thanks for the reply.
problem is, i don't have any plastic boats (or any skills or experience). only hypalon. and i can see what you mean about getting stuck vs. sliding over rocks. done my share of getting stuck.
as far as when? busy for now with that work thing but anytime in the spring in the verde valley (late feb. > depending on the weather). thanksgiving?
guess i really need to think about how many times i want to get out of my ducky and shove off a rock in four days!