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Old 08-23-2016   #1
 
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Undercover Feds Middle Fork Salmon

This came up on a different thread so I thought I'd put the warning out there for everybody. People are getting tickets for smoking weed, not having fishing licenses, etc by plain clothes sneaky undercover on the Middle Fork so be careful.

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Just curious if you can link the other thread so we have more info??
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I've heard this from a couple sources recently, pretty shitty.
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I've heard this from a couple sources recently, pretty shitty.
I don't understand how this is "shitty". Police officers have a duty to uphold the law and voluntarily get put in situation most people wouldn't dare. If you read the thread where this conversation started (Hells Canyon fee) people where mad about some guy getting busted for weed on the river. Well news flash stupid, weed is illegal in Idaho! I have no sympathy for you.
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I must say that I agree with the above post, in that I have little sympathy for those who try to skirt the law and then complain about the 'sneaky' or 'bad guy' law enforcement officials who catch them.

If you want to fish, buy a license! Yes, I too wish that fishing was free for me. But that is just not the way that it is. Agree or disagree with the system you may, but as it stands I find that responsible thing to do is to follow the rules of our society. This desire for personal exemption from the rules is a sign of an ego complex running amok.

As for the weed, duh... it is illegal in Idaho! Yes, you again may feel that is not 'fair', but hey; I think seat belts should be optional for adults, and yet I will get a fat fine in Oregon for not wearing one! (Yes, I understand they are good safety measures, insert PC disclaimer here...) That is just life.

Don't project your violations onto the regulations people. They are doing there job, and as long as they are polite and businesslike about it I have no issue.
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I don't understand how this is "shitty". Police officers have a duty to uphold the law and voluntarily get put in situation most people wouldn't dare. If you read the thread where this conversation started (Hells Canyon fee) people where mad about some guy getting busted for weed on the river. Well news flash stupid, weed is illegal in Idaho! I have no sympathy for you.
The, admittedly secondhand, accounts that I've heard from people with friends who got a visit from these guys took place at the put in, and involved extensive searches of personal belongings, including emptying of drybags. That's what's shitty in my book. I'm all for policing appropriately, but searches without due cause don't fly for me. Now, I may not have 100% of the story on these since they come second- or third-hand, but these weren't cases of hippies smoking a bowl out in the open.
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Damn lame. .gov nanny state bullcrap. End the fed. Freedom would be nice in a "free" country.

Don't want to buy health coverage, don't want to have some guy that was picked on in school giving me tickets for no seat belt or smoking weed. Oh well end is near
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Damn lame. .gov nanny state bullcrap. End the fed. Freedom would be nice in a "free" country.

Don't want to buy health coverage, don't want to have some guy that was picked on in school giving me tickets for no seat belt or smoking weed. Oh well end is near

So this person without "health coverage" (I assume you mean health insurance)... Let's say he's your bud in your boat. He takes the big swim when you dump your rig in Lava... Dude ends up getting a fracture in his c-spine. With no health insurance what is your plan? "Welp, good to know you Dude. Later, we're going to camp". Is that it? Or would you call the bird and get him to the hospital anyways? Yeah you would. So are you going to pay for it? Is the hospital? Is the NPS? Are the hospital rates going to go up to cover the loss? NPS fees going up for the same reason? Sounds like your bud is a big mooch now. Is he actually a Socialist? A Commie? It goes on and on... Or he could just carry his own weight and hold insurance... The libertarian idea looks good in very few limited situations (like letting us smoke weed in peace) but bad in all others.


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I also am against unwarranted searches, and would bristle about being asked to empty my dry bags. Even though there is nothing in them that is remotely against the regs. Rights of privacy should definitely deserve respect and protection.

As far as the health insurance argument, it is really very simple. If you want to be able to NOT carry insurance, hospitals should be able to refuse service apart from payment. End of story. The only other logical system is a requirement for all to have health coverage of some kind. (And probably should be a single payer system).

Don't misunderstand me, I am not a fan of a single payer system. But both extremes become the logical conclusions depending on where one falls on the medical communities 'right to refuse' to treat apart from payment.

If they have a right to refuse to offer their services, well then why would they treat you and bear that expense apart from payment?

If they don't have that right, and are required to treat you despite your lack of ability to pay, who is going to pay for that? It all come back to money in the end. Someone pays, directly or indirectly for the treatment.

But it is irresponsible to not have coverage and expect to be treated when facing a injury or illness. Granted if you have millions of $ and can pay cash, that is a different issue.
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A visit from these guys took place at the put in, and involved extensive searches of personal belongings, including emptying of drybags.
WOW!!!, Those folks had to have done something to make law enforcement suspicious. I can't imagine law enforcement just walking up, randomly, and doing that. Very odd.
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