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Old 06-30-2015   #21
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vid of high water this year-

More on Black Mike from the interwebs- Michael Black has lived in the Four Corners area since 1971. He has been a river guide for 26 years, working in Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah. He joined Taxpayers for the Animas River (TAR) in 1983 as a way to protect his livelihood as well as the river. Over the 20+ years he's fought the Animas-La Plata project, many TAR members have passed away or moved, but Michael has kept up the fight both in the courts and the community.

I"m wondering if the play park and its relationship to the A-LP project is really what's pissed duder'd think as a boater he'd have a more enlightened perspective.

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Old 06-30-2015   #22
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well the only reason i went to Durango last month was to run this "dangerous" feature... haha everything was flushing at 4200 and at 4800 was a blast! the bridge pylons are a lot more dangerous than the park in my opinion. if this guy thinks the park is so dangerous maybe he should just stay off the river when the flow is getting juicy!!! have fun, be safe, and dress to swim

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Old 06-30-2015   #23
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Originally Posted by mountainjah View Post
vid of high water this year-

Seriously? You show just four seconds of that wrap? So, what happened to those folks?

Did you get any more footage of the incident?

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These are probably the guys you need to be worried about. About to jump in above the park. Click image for larger version

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Old 06-30-2015   #25
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Bend Whitewater Park

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I wonder how they Boise park with the adjustable wave is working out? I know they have high water chutes and can adjust the center feature. Out in Oregon these are still a pretty new idea, I think the Deschutes in Bend just got one, but I haven't seen it yet.
Bend's new whitewater park is still under construction, but the four waves are in and there has been some "testing" going on already. It's the site of an old dam that created a big log pond in the river when Bend was a mill town, so it is kind of a lake above and another lake below (Mirror Pond, from Mirror Pond Pale Ale fame). There are tons of tubers who float this stretch and the old dam was a mandatory portage that killed a few tubers who missed the portage. The dam is gone, replaced by a three channel design that features a smooth descent for tubers on river left that can be entered from upstream, a center channel with 4 adjustable waves that cannot be entered from above, and a river right wildlife channel with riparian enhancement that cannot be entered by boats at all. There are parks on both sides of the river and a new pedestrian bridge just above the waves for viewing. It opens later this summer/early fall.

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Old 06-30-2015   #26
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Regarding the Boise wave...

The fact that it's adjustable presents opportunities and challenges for the city. They can simply lower it at high water and there's barely a roller, if safety becomes an issue.

I do know that the city has mandated the wavemaster set up the panels in such a way as to not create any "hazards" for users and, in the process, it retards the ability of the wavemaster to create any sort of decent feature.

For the past two years it's been running on about 75% of its potential, which stinks.
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Old 06-30-2015   #27
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Originally Posted by FastFXR View Post
As far as I'm concerned, he has a point. Colorado creates these "whitewater parks" which are really just play features intended SOLELY for playboating. I would think a true "whitewater park" should have obstacles, multiple routes, and require some skill in paddling to get through.
It's pretty sad that Colorado--known for its whitewater--can't build a park worth a have to go east to find one of those.
I don't know much regarding water rights and water-related litigation, but I thought the primary reason for municipalities putting in recreational play parks was to secure prior appropriation rights for minimal water flows. Recreational in-channel diversion water rights secure a certain flow before future upstream developments can claim it (primary reason for a play park), tourism revenue based on increased recreational river traffic (secondary), and high quality play park features (tertiary). Am I wrong?
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Old 07-01-2015   #28
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That's a good point, but I don't think the water right is the primary driver behind construction. They are so far down the line that they most likely wouldn't be honored, but it is definitely better than not having it. I think the primary drivers are tourism based revenue and recreational opportunities. The whitewater parks in Chaffee County are used for kayaking, rafting, paddle boarding, body boarding, tubing, and fishing. As well as the center pieces of 2 of the biggest river festivals in Colorado.
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Old 07-01-2015   #29
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Originally Posted by lmyers View Post
That's a good point, but I don't think the water right is the primary driver behind construction.
It was in Durango. We wouldn't have a new park and it definitely wouldn't have been grouted in if the city didn't want their water right.
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Old 07-02-2015   #30
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Here's your daily dose....

Herald selling papers....Thanks everyone for their thoughts in this thread- The Durango Herald 07/01/2015 | How dangerous is the Whitewater Park?

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