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Old 11-30-2010   #11
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Originally Posted by brendodendo View Post
Mogur, If your worried about "malware", then you obviously use a inferior AntiVirus or Protection product.
No, actually my computer is very well protected. But still, I know that the whole anti-virus industry is working in a perpetual state of catch-up. The ether-terrorists who create malware work around the clock to find new ways to wreak havoc on our computers, and it just doesn't pay to take chances. I know that I'm making more of this that is necessary, but I do believe that we'd all be more comfortable with (as you suggest) a pdf file, rather than a word-processor or text file that could have an imbedded self-executing program.

As for "sustainability" in raft manufacturing, I think there are bigger things to worry about, if one in intent on worrying (which I'm not). If I'm going to give myself heartburn, I'll do it over something that really matters: hunger, unemployment, nuclear weapons in the hands of N. Korea or Iran--things that can ruin your day.

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Old 11-30-2010   #12
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Old 11-30-2010   #13
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I am on a mac, but I don't open word docs on general principal alone.
Microsoft is 10 times the polluter than all the raft companies put together for the next 50 years.

So why don't you study that?
Ok got that off my chest.

Are you the Mother Lode River Center or was that just a hack copy and paste job?? See 2nd paragraph near the top of page 6. And the orange torpedo section - the jumping back and forth from third person to first person is confusing to an underedumacated hack like myself. Seems like there should be some attribution when quoting source materials. Or something to indicate it's not your words.

Page 4 - comparison of PVC to Hypalon.
Besides just pulling these out of your ... where are getting these ideas.

Hypalon is much easier to repair than PVC. I have done both extensively and I have a PVC boat so it pains me to admit that, but it's true.

The warranties are nearly the same. Aire has a 10 yr and I think Maravia does too.

Comparable boats weigh nearly the same. If 100 lbs is lightweight, how would 115 lbs be Heavy? 15 to 20% is the most difference I have seen from one model to the other.

I am pretty sure that you will find "airtight" seams on any of the better new boats out there. The only blown baffles I have seen have been on hypalon boats. So that turkey doesn't fly too well either.
Air pocket probable in seams?? Huh?

Can't speak to the other boats out there but I believe Maravia is one of the toughest boats out there. Comparable to hypalon. And more durable in some ways.

And how is it a "limited use" boat??? Who decided that? Glad I didn't or I wouldn't have done most of the rivers I do.

You state the only feasible solution is to support hypalon and pressure PVC companies to use this material too. But then you go on to say that Hypalon is not being manufactured in US of A but in Japan and China.

Did you factor in increased carbon emissions to transport raw and finished products all over the world? Or you just like hypalon better?

The flipness and smugness ( "Talc is just as sexy" as an example ) is no substitute for good, accurate writing. "PVC bears it's teeth" should be bares. As in to reveal or to uncover as in bare - to make naked.

"Current raft material places the raft industry in a very distant cry from being environmentally friendly and sustainable....."

This may be the most unwieldy sentence I have read in a while.

At the end you thank some sources for contributing to this "report".
While it is a collection of something I am not sure that I would call it a report. Yet. Keep working on it though and you might get there.

Sorry if this harshes your buzz, and while the intent of what you are looking at is admirable and worthy, I feel your "report" is immature, inconclusive and hard to understand at times. Also presenting ideas as facts rubs me the wrong way almost all the time.

Now I am going to rub myself in talc and stabond and roll around on my raft for a while..........

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