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Old 05-09-2005   #1
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rafting cross mountain

We are planning a raft trip on cross mountain gorge for tuesday, and the flows today read 4400 cfs. The bible says the raft max is 4500. We are all experienced guides with class V rafting experience. Is this going to be too high, and what can we expect?

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Old 05-09-2005   #2
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Based on extrapolation from my experience at 2500....

For a commercial trip, I would say it is too high. But, if you guys are all strong guides with class V experience, you should be OK.

There are some must make moves in Snake Pit that are tough. You may also well have a swim in tough waters. There are undercut rocks in Snake Pit, but 4500 may be high enough to cover them.

Scout the top down to Snake Pit to plan your moves and make safety plans.

This should be good practice for raft guides. And fun.

I'm surprised that a bunch of class V guides with experience haven't been on Cross Mtn at high water or don't have good sources.

Please report back what it's like.

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Old 05-09-2005   #3
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a rookie biatch like yourself cant handle it. You should just forfit your half of the raft to the stud who shares it with you
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Old 05-09-2005   #4
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I have also rafted it at 2500 and it was no problem. Let us know what 4500 is like in a raft.

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Old 05-09-2005   #5
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My friend has lived up in steamboat his whole life and kayaked cross at 6 grand he was telling me the higher the water get the sticker the holes get expessially on osterizer. He says that you can make a sneak in a kayak but in a raft it gets especially sticky i would say not to run it cause by the time you get up there the water could and can jump a grand depending on how warm it is in just a day. 5 grand is really dangerous in a raft
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Old 05-10-2005   #6
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Last year, we rafted Cross around 5g's. Big water! Way right in Mammoth (Osterizer) Falls, Left at the Pizza, left to right at D. Ferry, right at Pourover then hammer the river wide hole that forms at the next sig. rapid below Pourover.

We saw the fellas from Creature Craft in there all last year during runoff, toying with water levels. Guess they went in there are around 8 g's.

We (Blue Sky West) guide Cross till 4,000 with the right crew.

Fun - Fun.
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Old 05-10-2005   #7
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anyone run it in an oar rig?? what size??
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I told you that you'd be fine. It's just like bridges with a little juice. Just try and stay down the middle and you will be good. I wouldn't bring any "Nancy's" like Joe H. or Sara but you will probably be good to go.

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Old 05-14-2005   #9
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Hope your trip went well. Hats off to the Blue Sky West guides; that was fun running into you guys up there. (They know their stuff on that river and gave us great insights)

That year, we ran our creaturecraft rigs through there most often between 3500-7500, one time around 9000 and one other time below the peak at 11,200. Overall, we noticed that:
Great to make a habit to scout Osterizer and Snakepit, for your own comfort. If the water is over 3K, do not run it blind for your own sake, please.
Osterizer gets nasty around 6000+
Snakepit and the next three big holes get big and ugly around 4-5K, stay LEFT. I was really scared at 7K, ran snakepit right and then immediately river left, which worked and bypassed the gnarly ones.
Near the end of cross there is an S-turn with a big hole in the center. (What's that called anyway?) It turns into a recirculating hole near the 5K mark. If I'm not in the mood for that one or too tired by then I stay waaay left agains the wall.

Hope some of our heuristics help. Enjoy.
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Oh, forgot... yes, we ran one of our critters (that's what I call them sometimes) with an oreframe setup, but wouldn't recommend it really for converntional oars above 3-4K, depending on your comfort/skill level.

Anyone else done it in ores? Got pictures?


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