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Old 11-14-2011   #21
Kremmling, Colorado
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User days are a discretion of the authorized officer of that field office, depending on goals set in management plans, etc. Permit transfers can be limited to historical use, but that is also at discretion of the office. Our office does not limit user days, even upon transfers; an adjoining office does. So for my office, you do not speak a "truth". And I have been here for 4 seasons and still going, trying to get better and better at learning the rules and helping outfitters understand them. Following government rules is never "fun" but I would like to think that most of the outfitters that work with me for their permit administration don't feel like I'm a rat. If they do, I hope they tell me, so I increase my standing to dog.
p.s. If you call the BLM office where you are interested in buying a rafting company, I'm sure they will tell you the rules so you can make a good decision.

Teri Parvin
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Old 11-14-2011   #22
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You should be able to call - 970-638-9742

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Thanks T!
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Old 11-14-2011   #24
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Sounds like Ducks R Us has had some bad experiences with BLM. While I've never dealt with them professionally, I have had only positive experiences with the BLM staff in this area, Teri included. Thanks guys.

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Old 11-18-2011   #25
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Thanks for all the great comments & information. I'm back, sorry if I didn't reply to you quickly enough. Please call or email.
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Old 11-20-2011   #26
aspen, Colorado
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blm's story changes every day..all i am saying..if you purchase a rafting company..blm will , and has "pulled" permits from outfitters with "no" warning for non use..and has held outfitters to historic use on permit transfers as late as 1/1/2011. (if you are a prvate boater..then you have very little experience with BLM ) and their ever changing policies. For the BLM to "admit" ...Historic river use on permit transfers is at their "disrection" clearly shows what I am warning everybody of and proves there is no concrete policy and a future of commercial rafting hangs on "discrection" ? really....l
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Old 11-20-2011   #27
Glenwood Springs, Colorado
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Hi Ducks,
It looks like you were selling a raft company about this time last year. How did that go? I am guessing that Teri's cohorts at the BLM for that area pulled the Gore permits when you tried to transfer them? Would love to hear the story, PM me if you'd prefer to keep it quiet. I ask because I have an active interest in buying a raft company.
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Old 11-21-2011   #28
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are you the guys who got Raven's stash?
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Old 11-25-2011   #29
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Not sure who you are talking to - we did not get Raven's stash. We are still trying to sell our company though.
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Old 11-25-2011   #30
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Originally Posted by willieWAO View Post
are you the guys who got Raven's stash?
Willie I think masters bought up raven.

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