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Old 11-14-2014   #31
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Got off the river Nov 9.

Wife and I rowed our Air Jag loaded about medium heavy I suppose. We had four complete meal days for nine in cooler and cans, another non-perish breakfast and dinner for nine, 40lb group charcoal, two 20lb propane bottles, two 6gal water cans and our personal gear. Boat felt about right most of the trip, not too heavy or light.

I row forward of center and wife sat on the cooler behind me to keep the bulk of the weight in the middle of the water line. I really like rowing forward of center.

Oct/Nov is a good time to be in the canyon
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Old 11-15-2014   #32
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I just got off on the 9th. We had lots of fluctuations the fist 2 weeks. Had a 12'er flip running the left. He hit the very 1st diagonal at the top and went end over end. Same wave just surfed me back out toward the middle.
My point is, either boat (heavy or light) is going to have pros and cons. You can run from stuff with a lighter boat. You can hit bigger waves with a big boat and get away with more errors. This year was the 1st year I was not happy with my run at Upset but I came out fine. A smaller boat could have easily/likely flipped in the hole at the bottom.
Have fun in the Ditch!

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Old 11-15-2014   #33
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Yo Jag! You get the sand out of your gear yet! Good to float with ya buddy!
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Old 11-15-2014   #34
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Ha! Do you ever get all the sand out?

Don't feel too bad about Upset, that top lateral played hell with us too! You played in the hole and we swapped ends and shot past the hole backwards LOL

Good boating with you as well, your good nature and canyon savy made a good trip a
truely EXCELLENT trip!
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Old 11-16-2014   #35
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Congratulations on your trip! I rowed a 14 ft NRS in April of this year. I have a heavier fishing type frame on there to begin with, but I lined up and dropped in 5 ammo cans in the bay I usually have a cooler in. I also had the usual dry box and PG under me and behind, respectively. I will say this, while I agree with everyone here about not getting too weighed down, I was glad to have the weight of the ammo cans on the front (and even distribution in back). In the big waves, I poached a rider to keep the boat down and punch through. No flips, but definitely a thrill! If you have the means, I recommend pimping out your deck to sleep on the boat. I was happy I had the option and its cooler down by the water. Good luck and have a blast!!!!
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Old 11-16-2014   #36
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what a coincidence,,,, I just got out on the 9th too! I row a Pig. It's a cat... but a big pig. or a C Cow which ever. 19 foot Jack's granddaddy cat. Helps keep the hairy side up... Like Liquid says, I can screw up more and not pay a penalty but obstacle avoidance is more difficult as well, thus creating more situations where you need that stability.. of course if ya just don't see the big juicy rock that is right in your path you are screwed either way... Anyway I went thru Lava after Liquid and before Jag, My passenger did not even get her hair wet. We all had a great run and I hope you do too!
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Old 11-16-2014   #37
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Well the hell! Now all we need are the two other boat drivers and we'll have the whole

It seemed our largest boat and smallest boat had very dry runs in Lava. The Air Ocelot ran dry as well, from the scout rock he looked like he was casually loafing around in there. Us, not so much LOL, but we never felt like things were sketchy till we got surfed off the bottom waves towards Cheese Grater. Ha! Started to feel like our Bedrock run a little

At this point I think boat size in the GC only matters as far as how much gear and chow you want or need to carry.

YouTube "JadDaddy" for some GoPro of the big water, most are there, Upset didn't get
shot because the wife was blowing on her whistle when the 12er pancaked as we were setting up and forgot to turn it on LOL

t done because the wife was blowing on rescue whistle

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