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Old 09-18-2015   #21
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At the end of the day you're all still a bunch of sissy pants rafters who are into talking about these details more than going boating.

Except salsasean.

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Old 09-18-2015   #22
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Thanks Tango, You make me feel tough and I'm happy to say I'll be both rafting and kayaking this weekend.

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Old 09-18-2015   #23
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I don't even row anymore. Oars are for sinners and only help you prolong the inevitable. I launch and then pray to God. If you can't get make it down by the grace of God, then you're going to Hell.
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Old 09-22-2015   #24
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Article about Pins and Clips

Most people love whatever they learn on and the best boaters can run anything. Try one oar lock and one pin and clip some time to really understand the difference!

Here's and article I wrote about the difference a few years ago:

Oar Locks vs Pins and Clips | Northwest Rafting Company
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Old 09-23-2015   #25
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The oar locks I have always used had a heavy collar on the oar with a monster Pin that swiveled. The pin went into a pipe that was as hefty as the rest of the rig; I'll see if I can find a picture.

I liked the set up because the oar was never going to twist, and popping it out took major messuppery to accomplish. I think I popped one oar in 5 years.

The downside was, if you caught the oar on anything there was no give; actually the give was the oar and sure as anything you'd bust the oar or tear up the blade.

I've rowed pins and clips and locks and oar rights and rope wrapped around the frame and the oar when things got really weird.

I still like the rig I learned on. Oars are expensive to replace, but then feathering and shipping oars on the pigs I rowed was kind of like wearing ballet shoes on a hike.
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Old 09-23-2015   #26
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Originally Posted by Brotorboat View Post
I don't even row anymore. Oars are for sinners and only help you prolong the inevitable. I launch and then pray to God. If you can't get make it down by the grace of God, then you're going to Hell.
Dude, I've been looking forward to getting on the river with you one of these days, now I know it'll be pretty entertaining too.

As for Pins and Clips vs Open vs Oar Rights and wrongs AlanS has a great summary. Not sure I've got any real facts but I learned with Oar Rights and that's what I'm comfortable with. I've known plenty of excellent boaters that rowed either open locks, oar rights, or with P&Cs. For me it's kind of like skiing telemark vs locking that heel down. Tele skiing is so much fun on the groomers, and in powder or any kind of great conditions, but when the day serves up breakable crust, or that chute you hiked all that way up to is icy and clouds just moved in, give me a beefy boot and locked heel. When I've just gotten tossed around in the boat, there's a must-make move seconds ahead, and I'm putting a popped (or spare) oar back in, I want that oar to grab some water on the first stroke without having to take my eyes off what's coming up, because those instants may be the difference between a flip and a fun & rowdy run.

I've never cared for P&Cs because of the sharp things so often associated with them (hose clamps, the clips, etc.). If I were running Class V, maybe I'd want them.

I'd like to get some of the convertible oar rights but am not too worried about it.

Whatever you're comfortable with,

Nothing in the world is more yielding and gentle than water. Yet it has no equal for conquering the resistant and tough. The flexible can overcome the unbending; the soft can overcome the hard. - Lao Tse
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Old 09-23-2015   #27
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I use oar locks but I was really impressed with the pro loks I saw Spider using.

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Old 09-24-2015   #28
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Here's and idea to cover up the sharp edges on pins/clips. I used heat shrink 3" diameter, to cover up the pipe clamps. Found it on Ebay for cheap.
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Old 09-27-2015   #29
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I have both, but run oar locks. Personally I hated pins and clips. I have two junk shoulders and shipping oars is less painful and injurious with locks then pins and clips.

Let me tell you nothing like popping your shoulder out on a lunch stop bringing your oars in. Makes for a wonderful rest of the day.

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