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Old 08-17-2016   #11
 
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The lower rarely gets this low.

The data does not support this statement. Daily mean flows for the USGS at Whitebird gage can be reviewed here and the record goes back to 1910:

USGS Current Conditions for USGS 13317000 SALMON RIVER AT WHITE BIRD ID

Lets take a look at the month of August and specifically today's date of August 17 for the prior 20 years, 1997 to 2006. The instantaneous flow right now is 3710 cfs at 3:45 pm pacific time.

The meain daily flow was essentially at this level or lower in 10 of the last 20 years (counting this year), not rare, in fact it is as common as a much higher flow (i.e. 50% of the years in the last 20 were at this same level or lower this time of year).

Mean daily flow on Aug 17 for years that were essentially the same as todays flow (on a side note, it is mathematically interesting that the mean daily flow on Aug 17 in 2013 and 2015 was the same):


year mean daily flow (cfs)
2000 = 3390
2001 = 2840
2002 = 3570
2003 = 3720
2004 = 3570
2005 = 3700
2007 = 3160
2013 = 3460
2015 = 3460


If you were a boater on the lower salmon in the prior decade, this low flow was in fact the norm and not unusual at all, with the majority of years being this low or lower. It is the high flows in between 2007 and 2013 that has likely skewed your minds-eye to thinking these flow flows are rare.

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I'd be more worried about snakes while portaging than Snow hole rapid itself.

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Shipp.. O my goddddd! you are sooooo right. It gets this low for a month or so every year. Thats like all the fucking time. Its ALLWAYS this low. How could I be so wrong????
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Once again great advice from the buzzards! It's good to hear from some of you who have run the Lower this low - I do not think we will have a problem but we will spend lots of time scouting. In terms of running the Lower versus the Main - I have my sights on the Main for next summer! I chose the Lower (after much advice from buzzards) as a good river to take some relatively green boaters on, and a great family trip. We are great friends with this family (and the kids are all good friends) - I am hoping this trip will plant some seeds and get them into the sport! If so, I have my sights on the Main for next year!

I definitely do not want the kids to walk Snow Hole (and my kids would be pissed if I made them). However, I think it may calm some nerves for the newbies if they feel there is at least an option if they feel in over there heads.

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Shipp.. O my goddddd! you are sooooo right. It gets this low for a month or so every year. Thats like all the fucking time. Its ALLWAYS this low. How could I be so wrong????
pardon me if I misunderstood your original statement that it rarely gets this low. I thought you meant it rarely gets this low in August, not it rarely gets this low during the entire year. Hard to read your mind.

The information is still handy, the flows occurring now are not unusual for this time of year, and the Salmon is always easily boatable at low flows with a standard sized raft with all the comforts.
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Shipp, I live 20 minutes from the Lower. I ran it monday and tuesday. There aint a whole lot of difference between 3700 and 3000. I've run that streach 5 to 10 times a year. I'm hear to tell you that running wise it don't get much lower even if the gage drops to 3200. The river does not change much at these flows. And it don't get much lower
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I'm hear to tell you that running wise it don't get much lower even if the gage drops to 3200. The river does not change much at these flows. And it don't get much lower
Sweet, we agree on something
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I see lots of posts saying the main is never too low, wouldn't the lower be the same?

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