Originally Posted by dirtbagkayaker
Sorry to hear,
There are always two sides to every story. As mentioned above your should "always be able to eddy out above the craft in front of you if they are not in your party!!!"
But someone can't just hang in the wave until the sun sets either. Or dilly dally holding up traffic. Large groups tend to slow things up.
I think the lesson here is to be mindful of traffic both up stream and down. Be courteous. Also talking goes along way. Its hard getting around a large group.
Step back and look at try to understand the others view. Pleasure boaters typically run in one style and commercials in another. I agree with attempting to distance from the commercials, if possible. Commercials provide an experience unlike what privates are trying to achieve. Spacing on rapids is important regardless of private or commercial, your group or others. If someone is surfing a hole it is the responsibility of the upstream boater to control his boat to not interfere with the downstream boat, period. Most boaters are really cool and affable.
So lets look at the guides experience: a challenging section of river, more than likely (but not necessarily) experienced crew members. The guide doesn't know their abilities, the guide is responsible for their safety,pleasure,and that of the gear. He has his obligation to educate/entertain them as well. Maybe this crew was not exceedingly capable of this section -. Regardless the guides have their hands full. Additionally, the trip has several boats in a similar situation. Each guide has to be aware of the other boats and crews (with probably limited experience) in their group.
So they have less experienced/educated people on the water, more of them, are on a specific timeline, and have more responsibility than the play boater. Add to that they have to work with other trips on a very popular stretch of river.
What can we use to compare this to? Could you drive a race car full of paying people on the Daytona Raceway while weekend racers are on it? How would you feel about one of those guys tailgating you while your going 200 mph? Oh, now add that the passengers control the accelerator, and brakes (the driver/guide is describing how the track and car behave together, observing how each passenger performs their assigned duties, and making sure the OTHER tour race cars don't have a passenger fly out) .... May or may not be a good example but gives me something to think about....
We have to get along. Guides have a fun, hard job. Understand YOUR situation. Give AMPLE space to everyone. You let that guy surf his crew in that hole, you got a guide that will probably lend a hand if you need one on that trip, maybe another. A professional guide WILL notice, probably get YOU to a place downstream that is suited for you to pass, if the situation warrants.