Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-18-2008   #11
Avon, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1997
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 471
i second the NRS frame idea. I have a NRS cat frame and a DRE frame. Both are supposed to be adjustable. Something i think you would want. THe NRS low rpos are very easy to adjust...the DRE is a pain in the ass to slide fittings. You need a sledgehammer to move the DRE allen set screws and the lock pins (at least my frame).

I love the adjsutability of my NRS. I take out compartemnts extremely quick and can add seat crossbars, rowers footbars and lighten the frame in 10 minutes. I can also switch between cat frame or raft frame by removing yoke pieces.

Just my opinion...

ENDOMADNESS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008   #12
Boulder, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1989
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 18
We geared up for a Grand trip last year. Here are a couple thoughts:

I'll second AAA in Denver. Their price was very reasonable, and we knew what we wanted (double rail, 4 bay). Mark fit the cockpit and oars for us in the shop. I've tweaked the cockpit by less than 1/2 inch since, and it's the most comfortable boat I've rowed.

You might want to think about the 18 footer a little bit. They're great for the big desert rivers, but don't work for much else. I'd be tempted to rent a set up from PRO or REO if I really needed an 18' for the Canyon, and buy a 14 or 16 foot raft. We bought a 16 footer. Plenty big for the 21 days in the Canyon, shorter trips as kayak support, and still squeezes down the Ark or Poudre at higher water.

slowgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008   #13
Matty's Avatar
Silverthorne, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1996
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 213
I'll second the idea of a 16' not an 18'. Unless you are on the Grand or Cat, there is nowhere else to row an 18' rig. I have an NRS frame. It is very adjustable, which is good, because I am alway fiddling with it trying to make it right. If you are going to splurge on the setup to end all setups, skip the NRS and have someone build you one right.
Matty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008   #14
lhowemt's Avatar
at my house, Montana
Paddling Since: 2020
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,345
I forgot to mention the two front bays were set up wide enough so rocket boxes (20mm) would fit in there. 18' boats seemed to take 6-8 wide.
lhowemt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008   #15
tyaker's Avatar
Farmington, New Mexico
Paddling Since: 1990
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 140
check out the nrs gear swap... a couple big boats on the "rafts for sale" category with full-on decked out frames. One's in Wyoming...

NRS Gear Swap

FWIW, I have a custom built frame from American Whitewater products in White City, OR. sweet, light, aluminum, blue powder-coated, two big dry boxes, one 120-qt cooler bay. Fits reeeal nice in my 16' Vanny. big $$$, but if yer goin "all-out"...???
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions.
tyaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008   #16
caverdan's Avatar
C. Springs, Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,443
I too would recommend a 16' over the 18' boat. The 16'er will be more usable after the trip and will be easier to maneuver through the rapids.

As far as frames go........I would incorporate into the design, some sort of decking over the side tubes, be it aluminum diamond plate, plastic or wood. We have two gear frames in our collection that have this feature. One is aluminum plate welded on top and the other has wood boards set in level with the tube frame. The wood boards have the advantage of being cooler to step on in bare feet. This type of design gives stability of getting on and off the boat and makes it easy for loading and stowing gear. Just a thought.

Another good feature to shoot for is rounded or 45 degree angled corners on the outside of the frame. If the outside corners are squared off and you slip while pushing off from shore or what have will hurt really bad.

So......rounded outside corners and decking on the side rails are my recommendations to look for. I hate climbing on and off a raft by stepping on the frame tubing. Decking is the only way to go..... IMHO.
caverdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008   #17
ptwood's Avatar
King of 4th and F
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 18
I would also recommend the 16' make sure it has the 22" tubes so your ammo cans will sit easily below your deck, yet still a reasonable size for Westwater Deso etc... As for the frame Ron and Will at Riverboat Works here in Salida made mine and it is SICK. Room for two to sleep comfortable on the deck, Hammock attachment and Megamid supports in case it rains... yeah pretty much a 5 star hotel on water.


P.S. If your getting a boat just for Grand Trips 18 ft rules. the space is unbeatable.
ptwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2008   #18
king kong kev's Avatar
Santa Fe, New Mexico
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 25
I have a NRS compact outfitter frame and wanted to install decking for ammo cans, walking, etc. I was thinking of running a 4-6 inch deck for the length (except the rowing bay). I would prefer to use alumimum diamond plate as my frame has to be stored outside for long periods. I don't have access to a welder, but thought I could secure it using NRS frame U-bolts. I know marine plywood is probably easier to work with, but was curious if anybody had experience working with aluminum diamond plate or adding a deck to their frame?

Also relevent to this post, we ran 18-foot Sotars rented from PRO this spring. Tons of space and no flips or ejections. When I got back on the river with my 14-footer, it felt like a sports car.
Hey diddle diddle; right down the middle... D. Sallaz
king kong kev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2008   #19
oarbender's Avatar
ww guide/ frame builder/welder, mobile fabrication gig
Paddling Since: 1988
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 247
the threads and nuts will be exposed on your walking surface if you use NRS U-bolts. DO NOT DO THIS. get a piece of d-plate cut at a fab shop that will meet your needs. take it home, put in place and tape in position. lay out holes about every foot on each side, drill with 1/4 bit, and use solid rivits

Expedition Gear Rental
oarbender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2008   #20
Dipshit with the most.
carvedog's Avatar
Bellevue, Idaho
Paddling Since: 1991
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 2,496
Originally Posted by Awoody View Post
I'd at least check out PRO outfitters in Flagstaff. I've seen a few of their frames and have been super impressed. I think it's what OARS runs on most of thier boats and I have yet to see a frame as impressively built. PRO: Grand Canyon Rafting
Pretty sure it was a Pro frame that broke on us on our GC trip. Right under the oar the aluminum just broke. What does that say? Maybe just weak aluminum.

That was after our guy ran the hole in Crystal. It wasn't a huge hit either at that flow. Big, but not like the ledge hole in Lava.

I like steel. Get a Maravia and run a nice steel frame. But that you were asking about rafts but.....

carvedog is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Topic Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Amazing opportunity to raft the Grand Canyon! GlobalExplorers Commercial Posts 2 11-07-2007 10:47 AM
Positioning frame on a raft caverdan Whitewater Rafting 6 04-07-2007 01:26 PM
Experienced boatman needed for Grand Canyon raft trip! kmccomb Rafting | Trip Planner 1 05-14-2004 06:04 PM
Need Grand Canyon raft support??? David L Whitewater Rafting 4 02-14-2004 05:08 PM
boat suggestions for the grand canyon ibis Whitewater Kayaking 8 12-28-2003 12:52 AM

» Classified Ads
Gott - Rubbermaid coolers

posted by stony2275

I have 3 Gott Rubbermaid coolers for sale. 60 Quart in...

Recretec Folding River...

posted by clemkins

Recretec folding river table, purchased from Clavey in...

9'6" Polecats For...

posted by Colgador con Rojo

2 - 9'6" rope wrapped and counter balanced Sawyer Polecats...

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:25 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.