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Old 10-14-2014   #1
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fishing frame for Super Duper Puma question

I'm putting together a fishing frame for my Aire SDP and wonder for those who fish from a puma how it fishes without front and rear floor stands. I've fished it from sitting on a front cooler which did good for nymphing and dry but would want to stand throwing streamers. will just adding thigh braces with front and rear swivel seats be stable enough to stand and lean on the brace for casting?

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Old 10-14-2014   #2
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Several friends guide out of super puma's, raised front seat, rear trailer seat/anchor system and without NRS's stupid floors. Most folks I know with the hard floors leave them in the garage, regardless of boat manufacturer.

I've had several fishing frame rigs on my boats over the years and I love a raised front seat. I've always set it up so that my feet rest on the tubes when I'm sitting on the seat, you can walk/spin faster than when standing. They work great for dries, streamers, what ever... try it you'll like it. Nice thing is it's the simplest/cheapest to do.

The whole puma series are very popular fishing boats up here, next to otters they're easily the most numerous and virtually all have the basic NRS fishing frame (no braces, no floors...just seats)

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Old 10-14-2014   #3
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I don't have an NRS Frame but have a similar sized boat...I have used a homemade beaver-tail style floor to cast from a couple times. I haven't used it lately just cuz it doesn't add that much functionality...I mainly lean into the casting brace rather than completely stand on the floor when casting.

The one thing I wish I had invested in is the stripping basket...maybe for christmas...
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Old 10-14-2014   #4
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Beware of studded wading boots if you skip the floors- just get some carpet scraps from the dumpster at a carpet store. Works great

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Old 10-14-2014   #5
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As I understand it, from reading other threads on here, and from personal experience, a hypalon boat floor is pretty mushy and unstable, while a PVC boat's floor is a good deal more stable. Not sure why that is, perhaps the folks on here with better knowledge of materials and construction can chime in. Regardless, our boat is hypalon and I only floated without floors once because it was so wobbly. Meanwhile, we did the lower Blue in my buddy's PVC boat in June with no floors and it was as stable as could be.

Now, as to what an Aire SDP is, I don't know. But I would say if you find out it's hypalon, buy the platforms or rig something yourself. Good luck, yo!

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Old 10-14-2014   #6
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I have a 13 ft SB PVC raft with front and rear lean bars. In my humble opinion and simple mind fishing from a NRS platform is far superior than from the raft floor. One, you are higher thus a better angler to cast over the oarsman when you are in the rear. Two, better line of sight to see water/fish/etc. Three, more stable than just a lean bar alone. I also find that the platforms make it easier to get around on the raft and most importantly, decrease the complaining from my wife and kids when we are just out floating about their feet being wet and cold during the early June and mid October trips. That alone is worth the price of admission. Downside is cost, weight and rear platform coving floor valve. Working on the last one. Just my 2 cents but can see that Elkhaven has good experiences without thus saving money and keeping it simple.
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Old 10-14-2014   #7
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Thigh braces are all you need especially in Aire boats... Also not even sure if you can fit platforms in the Aire SDP?

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Old 10-15-2014   #8
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I'm typically fishing out of my 14ft NRS Revo or my buddy's Aire 130D. The floors in either are stiff enough to facilitate just casting while leaning a little on the tube (read: no beaver boards, no braces).

I'm a fan of the keeping it simple and light. All those extra bars and straps just seem to clutter a boat and give my flyline more things to catch on. Although a stripping basket could alleve some of those issues.
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Old 10-15-2014   #9
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Just like 2kanzam said too much clutter and you just start tangling.

I attached a pic of my rig to better illustrate how it's put together. Unfortunately I don't have pics of it in use showing how the fishermen sit but you should get the idea. The key is not using them as lounge chairs, you should be sitting up, bracing off your legs, then it's quick spins to hit holes, switch sides, etc. You torso is still free to move so you retain casting power but your not balancing as your casting, your attached at three solid points. When you stand up on the floor, the seat is right at butt height so it's easy in easy out - super flexible. I've owned and rowed rafts and driftboats for a long time and I've tried just about every rigging style imaginable and the simple raised seat trumps them all (I know I'm belaboring this point).

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What I didn't mention earlier is that this boat does have a deck in the back. I built a different style trailer frame that runs down off the rear tube to longitudinally just over the inflatable floor and has a plywood deck that covers the whole rear bay. It's awesome... super stable for getting in and out. I can stand and fish but I really built it for my 72 y/o father to make it easier for him to get in and out and to fish. I don't really want him standing back there (his reflexes are pretty slow) so I haven't put in a casting brace but I plan on working one up this winter to give a shot for my buddies. I think it will be perfect for high volume casting.

edit to note that obviously I don't head my own advice on clutter...
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Old 10-16-2014   #10
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Thanks for the input all. this is my first raft as I have a clacka skiff that I guide out of on the north platte river around casper. My skiff is way too low profile to run pump house area and can't take a hard boat down the Ark. I'm also looking for people who can row/fish on the Colorado, roaring fork and Ark. having someone row slow moving water on the Platte is very different than teaching someone on pump house. I end up doing most of the rowing and less fishing.

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