Originally Posted by slickhorn
this pot clearly ain't been stirred enough....
it seems to me the CC mindset is to make class V accessible to anyone. Thats the point of demo days: forget years of building technique, judgement, and safety skills, just jump in and run the shit!
I find that a sad reality of modern american instant gratification. There will always be folks who want the thrill without the skills. I think that's going to lead to fatalities over time. I think those people perceive a run like NF Payette as a roller coaster ride and with similar safety margins.
Now, when a legit class V oarsman choses to use a CC for a specific run cuz it's the right tool, then fine, I got no problem with that.
But the point is to make class V class III. I will continue to say that until I see people using CC on class III because they find class III water to be fun. When that happens, the casual CC user will have become a boater.
But that video of the hole ride in Cross Mtn Gorge? one blow from an oarhandle and you're unconscious and drowned. I do not see the respect for consequences, or even awareness of consequences.
Maybe that's just due to the video editing though ....
Going to work through this one paragraph at a time:
Demo days are for developing Creature Craft skills not introducing people to whitewater most of the people on the NF trip are boat owners looking to work on there skills on the Wenatchee we do demos on the lower section where commercial raft companies run trips not on Tumwater.
Roller Coaster ride/ those people, come on we take it serious and it is way more fun that some theme park ride.
I've guided class V in rafts so now I guess you have no problem with me getting into a creature craft.
I also run class III sometimes in a creature craft but one of the comments we get is that they don't belong on anything that is not class V, am I still a boater if I took a SUP down some class III and left the craft at home.
Cross Mountain video, well I do agree with you on that one they could have died better blame the boat because they were clearly unaware of any consequences must have just accidentally ran the shit on that one.