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Old 05-07-2015   #31
Great Falls, Montana
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Another AKA to add to Ortos' list. I hate the way you act like were too dumb to see it. J***s as I have tried to tell you before, just keep your head down and let your work speak for its self. You do good work, but every time you do this you make yourself look bad.

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Old 05-07-2015   #32
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He said, she said! Drama class has begun!

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Old 05-07-2015   #33
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Yup, another Orto alias. He's also been stirring crap as "CoastalDrifter" on another forum.
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Old 05-07-2015   #34
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Originally Posted by RogueRat View Post
Lying to people to get more business is not a good way to go,
I thought canyon was booked for the rest of the spring and summer and wasn't taking any more orders. I guess their website must be wrong if you were able to order a new raft package.
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Old 05-07-2015   #35
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Nobody mentioned AAA Inflatables' frames. They will customize to your likes, and are quiet modular for modifications down the road.

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Old 05-07-2015   #36
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I'd also suggest you check in with Downriver Equipment, River Boat Works, and Whitewater Machine Works. These are all great folks who can customize a frame for whatever application you need for the whatever kind of boat you have. They also support the Buzz and are 100% drama free!


Nothing in the world is more yielding and gentle than water. Yet it has no equal for conquering the resistant and tough. The flexible can overcome the unbending; the soft can overcome the hard. - Lao Tse
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Old 05-07-2015   #37
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I have a madcatr and l really appreciate how clean and simple it is. I purchased the frame for day runs but it could easily be set up for 2-3 nights. It is easy to stand on for last minute scouts. The only thing I don't like and it's petty is there is no beer holder on it like the DRL. My frame is not a custom and I'm sure you could add this feature. I also really like the DRL which is what I was originally shopping for. Like I said I just lucked into the madcatr. Canyon would also be a good choice. I recommend that you call over there and see what the time frame is if that is the way you want to go. All 3 of those frames are bomb proof.

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Old 05-07-2015   #38
boizee, Idaho
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Timmy you are legit. Madcatr Dave you totally rock and you set the industry standard. Orto lets go have that beer some time. PRE frames are going thru some changes cuz Ronnie is getting out of it. A new frame collaboration between PRE and Class V products is about to 'go live'. Basically a PRE frame in aluminum only, with lots of cool features. Stay tuned. But one thing I will never do is trash on another manufacturer to promote something. This is a small industry and we all move it forward by supporting each other. Quality talks, bullshit walks.
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Old 05-10-2015   #39
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I've got 20 years on my first nrs frame and it's still going strong.
It's nice to be able to make adjustments as you gear, and your needs change. You can pick up extra top or bottom rails from your local metal supply company and have a setup for long trips as well as day trips.
You can also run with just the bottom rails and run you boat as a paddle cat.

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