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Old 11-24-2015   #11
San Jose, CA, California
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Would you consider two private Launches per day in December and January heavy traffic?

I regards to the Middle Fork and Selway, you can do a preseason trip each year so it is not exactly a apples to apples comparison.

I agree that volume need some control though.


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Old 11-24-2015   #12
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Hi Buckman,

There is a limiting factor within the CRMP -- it allows only 503 private launches per year. There also are seasonally variable limits on the number of trips and people allowed on the river at one time (TAOT/PAOT).

The number of unclaimed launches is relatively small -- usually a couple of dozen out of that 503. So the problem didn't seem to require a major re-tooling, or dramatic realignment of launch patterns seasonally.

For that reason, our personal views on what might constitute heavy traffic in the winter season are not going to be persuasive with the Park. But this change could bring us even closer to 100% use of our allocation. (However, as I see it, things like trip length in the winter still could be discussed further if they didn't violate the TAOT/PAOT limits.)


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Old 11-29-2015   #13
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buckman - The data came from the Park's website, here:

Helpful Links for Noncommercial River Trips - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

Scroll down to River Statistics, click on each year. I think it's the second page of each file.

Originally Posted by buckmanriver View Post
There have been a total of 250 unused dates since 2007. It would be great if those were slowly allocated over time. Say 30 extra launch's per year for the next 8 years.

It is weird that the reduction interval is a consistent multiple of 12 from 2011 to 2014. Did that data come from public NPS documents?

Also what happened in 2011? Maybe more unfilled calculations due to the poor economy?

It is a good chance though!

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