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Old 03-30-2012   #21
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The Chaco rep first and then my response to him. I followed with a PM but he is apparently too busy selling Chacos to check back in on the Buzz.
Not cool to be bashing Ryan. Ryan is a stand up mofo, a family man, and an all around waterman who deserves a little better than petty prods about his integrity and means of earning a living. Ryan likely is a little busy to be checking in on the buzz, especially since he's been living on Southern California for some time now in his new role as national sales manager for Boardworks Surf Co. Amazing what a man can make of himself when he focuses on hard work and pursuing his passion, and not worrying about every post on the Internet.

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Old 03-30-2012   #22
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Originally Posted by mattywp
I don't see anything wrong with the way Carvedog responded. I would even offer a strong... to quite strong, high five on the following statement:

"Back to point 5. If you really want people to get behind the chinaChac, show us the folks who make them. Show us where they live. And the conditions they work in."
I'm with the both of you on this. I think carvedog brought up some important questions and concerns that should be looked at and talked about. I don't think anyone is being particularly testy, agreed, we just need water.

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Old 03-30-2012   #23
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I think the issue is fair.

The rep said it well. This is about consumers wanting Products not Brands. There is a big difference between the two. Its increasingly difficult to hold brands accountable for their outsourced purchasing of products (we really shouldn't give them credit for making those items). I agree with some of the posters, I would rather own a US made product from a small company, even if costs a little more and is slightly less durable (according to the rep the outsourced product is superior).

I guess I would just prefer knowing my money is going to employers who have integrity and ethical relationships with their employees. Dumping money into local events is great but its just not the same.


For those who haven't read it, Naomi Klein's "No Logo" deals with this issue well.
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Old 03-30-2012   #24
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I just got a new job in manufacturing out here on the western slope. The company treats they're employees like gold, I have not heard one of my coworkers complain about the company, it has been awesome so far.
With that said I now look for made in the U.S. products. My girlfreind is looking for new gear to round out our boats ( happens every season) and when she was looking for new dryboxes I steered her away from Frontier Play ( we have a drybox from them, and I am not complaining about the product) and told her to look at US based manufacturers. I am ok with paying more for a quality U.S. made product. It keeps Americans employed and the money here in the states.
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Old 03-30-2012   #25
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"If you boat with your mouth open in the wind and put your tongue against the roof of your mouth, its impossible to pronounce a word that begins with the letter 's'."
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Old 03-30-2012   #26
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Heels are still too narrow and the straps are too short- Meh
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Old 03-31-2012   #27
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Heels are still too narrow and the straps are too short- Meh
Even with the wide footbeds? If they're doing custom builds, I'm sure you could have them put on longer straps.
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Old 03-31-2012   #28
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Originally Posted by rwhyman View Post
Even with the wide footbeds? If they're doing custom builds, I'm sure you could have them put on longer straps.
When I had new soles and webbing put on a pair I did order the side straps up to the ankle longer and they came out perfect. I think they even did the strap part N/C - their reason was premature strap failure or something. They were quite frayed was win, win.
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Old 03-31-2012   #29
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Its great to see the Made in the USA thing resurface after so many years in hiding. It seems like it went into the shadows about the same time Sam Walton went 6 feet under. In 1993, I was escorted out of a Walmart for taking pictures of imported products next to Sams beloved Made is USA signs. Its also great to see the Buy Local movement sweep across towns in our great country. These movements are required to attempt to reverse the damage the Walmart mentality has given us. When George W gave us the mysterious cash back in 2008, I was begging everybody I know to spend the money on items made here. I got the "deer in the headlights" look from all. Its quite disturbing how many people do not understand the effect of always seeking the cheaper product, with no regard to where its made. I've heard the excuse time after time, "I can't afford to buy the American made one." Those complaining are ignorant to the fact that they may be able to afford the better product if they kept their dollars swirling around their local community and country, in turn creating jobs and stimulating the economy. I think a class should be taught to high school students based upon the effects of outsourced labor and products and the difference from that of USA made goods. It can be unbiased, just show the facts.
I have been recently finishing a map booklet of rivers in which I plan on selling online and at shops. It was very difficult to find an American printing company for the price I have budgeted. I was able to locate one, but my profit will diminish and the cost will be up a slight bit. So I give up a tiny bit of money and can't buy the newest True Religion jeans and have a sparkly butt while I parade through Walmart. At least my book will be with the other badass books that bear the Made in USA label!
Good for Chaco for making stuff in the US again. I sure wish Teva would start an American plant because they are much more comfortable.

Viva hecho en USA!
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Old 03-31-2012   #30
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Even after I ground away the rubber inside the heel straps- still too damned narrow at the heels. Make a WIDE Chaco!~ A really Wide... not that wide in the front only thing you call a wide. Make the straps too long- and let us cut off whatever we don't need once they're fitting well. Keens have completely gone to crap- they're so poorly made you can't even get one season out of a pair. I'm desperate for a quality sandal that fits!

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