Originally Posted by lmyers
Sorry, I meant the fry emergence, not the spawning jimr...
Personally I am in favor of turning places like Elephant Rock into pay camping because every year it seems to get trashed worse, and cleaning up after idiois gets old, so your argument against developed camping falls on deaf ears with me...but Rob (AHRA) and John (BLM) are constantly looking for input from the public whether they need to "harden" more sites, or if the community is satisfied with current access...
Those 2 guys do their job, and the staff I know and encounter do too. Seriously, about 1/4 million people use AHRA State Park annually. The park is about 100 miles long and maybe 1/4 mile wide. I can't even imagine the literal shit show it would be without some level of management.
I've lived in the Arkansas Valley for 20 yrs and been boating it for 30, and I have yet to have a bad experience with park staff or facilities. They "inspected" my overnighter trip this summer to check for groover and firepan, and I was glad to see them out looking.
Count fishers, rafters/kayaks hikers , miners, climbers, cyclers, irrigators, motor sporters, gun-shooters, picture takers, don't forget the homeless, and others among the users. A free-for-all would certainly destroy it for most.
I was lucky to be of the era (mid-late 80's) to enjoy mtn biking in the Moab area. Slick Rock trail and the surrounding area was open and unmanaged. It was already common to dig up toilet paper while digging catholes, campers would pile in on others, trees disappeared in the name of fire, etc, etc, and it kinda started to suck in that regard after a while. Public input and circumstances led to the managed system we see there now along the river and salt flats and everywhere else. My opinion is the experience has improved there.
The huge influx of Colorado ski bums started to raid that area during the awesome weather of shoulder seasons back then, and continue to do so. While I'm not proud of being a part of loving it to death, I am happy that lessons were learned. I've seen many other examples, and the few issues I've had in managed areas are exclusively with other private types who simply won't acknowledge there are other people in the world who just might be doing the same thing they are. I believe a minority of users bring on regulation.
I get my money's worth for $75/year in AHRA alone, forget the rest of CSP. But I'm not getting any more than I was at $50/year not too long ago.