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Old 05-03-2012   #1
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4CRS Swap & Sale this weekend!

We're holding our annual Spring Swap & Sale this weekend (May 5 & 6) at 4Corners Riversports! Everything in the store will be 10-50% off and we'll have our parking lot packed with great deals on used gear. Doors open at 9 am on Saturday.

Used gear check in will be all day tomorrow (Friday) from 9 to 7. Check out 4CORNERS RIVERSPORTS | Kayak, Raft, Canoe, SUP, Gear, Rentals, Lessons for more info.

See you at the swap!

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Old 05-03-2012   #2
 
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That is cool, you guys skim 25% off of the top of used gear sales, and everyone else pays inflated prices for the used gear to cover the commission. I would be more inclined to support a local business if you weren't charging 50% over retail prices for certain raft repair items in your shop. A local bike shop I talked to is only charging 10% for consignment, and they are giving up floor space in the shop for an unknown period of time. How much is a space in your parking lot for one day worth?Sincerely
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Not sure if you know how that works man. Things are only worth as much as they are worth. A buyer can't increase the price of something just to cover his loss on the commission. Many stores do this, it is a way to bring business to the shop, and try to get the seller to use that money towards new gear. People buying used gear kills small shops, and this is a way to keep shops in business. I am not sure if 4Corners is doing this, but some shop will wave the commission charge if the person puts the money towards a new boat. As far as mark up, have you ever heard of overhead? It is not cheap to run a shop. 4Corners has always been good to me, and I have never had an issue. I would suggest anyone going to the swap, and to have a good time.
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I could be wrong, but I assume markup is built into retail prices (msrp). I agree things are only worth what they are worth. That is why it is irritating when I find something I need on the manufacturers web site with a msrp of 25$. I then look for a local dealer, and sure enough, 4crs is the one. So I ask them to order it for me, and they tell me that they have it in stock. Awesome. That will be 40$ plus tax. What? That is what I call price gouging, consitering there is already profit built into the 25$ price, and the msrp is supposed to insure uniform pricing across different dealers. Needless to say, I went with another dealer. The used gear market does compete with the new gear market, but someone like 4crs already made money when the gear was sold the first time. As far as the comission, I just feel that taking 250 off the top of a thousand bucks is a little excessive, for the services rendered, and that everybody would get a better deal using craigs list, or the classifieds on the buzz. There is commonly a difference between what someone will accept for used gear, and the subjective fair market value of said gear. This difference is known as a good deal, and adding 25% to someone's minimum acceptible price will increase the price, and decrease the possability of getting a good deal. If someone is willing to accept 25% less than what they are asking, they should just reduce the price by 25%, good deals usually go quick, and you are passing the savings on to a fellow boater. If you feel the need to make a donation to 4crs, that is cool to.
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I don't know the specifics about 4Corners' Swap but a good example of a Swap and Sale is Down River's. The seller chooses between 85% back or 100% store credit. It is a decent avenue to take because folks can use a credit card for used boats and you can't do that on Craigslist or here on the Buzz.
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Originally Posted by Floatin mucho
That is cool, you guys skim 25% off of the top of used gear sales, and everyone else pays inflated prices for the used gear to cover the commission. I would be more inclined to support a local business if you weren't charging 50% over retail prices for certain raft repair items in your shop. A local bike shop I talked to is only charging 10% for consignment, and they are giving up floor space in the shop for an unknown period of time. How much is a space in your parking lot for one day worth?Sincerely
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Kinda have to agree with bulk of this thread. Bought a used kayak from you 4crs. It was a consignment boat 300$. Not bad and was happy till shipping got bumped from the original 75$ to 150. Still within my range but wont do business with them again. Class get all my business from here on out cause they been solid and no price changes in middle of transaction like I got with 4crs
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Kinda have to agree with bulk of this thread. Bought a used kayak from you 4crs. It was a consignment boat 300$. Not bad and was happy till shipping got bumped from the original 75$ to 150. Still within my range but wont do business with them again. Class get all my business from here on out cause they been solid and no price changes in middle of transaction like I got with 4crs
* class in post was ment to read CKS as in Colorado kayak supply.
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Floatin Mucho, we try hard to stick to MSRP, if you paid $40 for an item that had an MSRP of $25 come see me and I will refund you the difference. We also have a price matching policy in place so if you do find an item cheaper somewhere else we will do our best to give you the same deal at our store. As for the swap, it is a fun event, it has worked well for years and if you don't want to be charged a commission we have a bulletin board in the shop you can post your gear on for free. I also agree that craigslist is a great way to sell used gear.

Shonuffkayak, with used boats we only charge the actual cost of shipping, we make nothing above what the freight companies charge us. Sometimes it's $75, usually it's more. Our current system does not have the ability to have a shipping calculator figure it out online so we put a base charge in and call you with the actual freight charges after we contact several shippers to find the best rate. On new boats we have a little room to eat some of the shipping but on consignment gear the cost of shipping is the buyers responsibility and shipping kayaks is expensive due the the dimensions.
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4 Corners can learn from Jagged Edge

You know, in Telluride we have a little boat shop called Jagged Edge. They have a swap albeit small right now. But all proceeds go to the local club to support whitewater access, education, and improvements. I don't know what 4 corners donates these days they are a business in a big river community. Jagged Edge dramatically decreases their prices on selected items too to promote more participation. Such as, I picked up 4 carbon Head Trip helments for like $20 each!!! and other stuff. The boats are cheap too. Perhaps 4 corners could learn a little from this. Durango is much bigger than telluride but the communities all around the area here i.e. Ridgway, Doloras, Ouray, and yes even Telluride, really do support locals from time to time. Wouldn't it just feel better if all the proceeds were donated to the local whitewater club even at 25%???? I do agree that if they pocket this, (and I really don't know what they do) that seems like not a very community oriented thing to do. I mean come on...its a swap!!!! It's supposed to get folks into the sport not deter them.
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Hey there Buzzards lighten up a little...after all it is Durango, where they try to keep the FUN in dysfunctional
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