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Old 12-21-2007   #11
David Spiegel
 
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Profile:  Colorado Springs, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2001
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David, I am just asking but you have the riot team blog in your signature yet are talking about jackson boats. Most reps are pretty clear about their industry connections on this site. Do you have connections with non-Jackson companies?
First, let it be said that I truly like the Jacksons, their employees, and their team.

Second, sorry, I thought my signature made it clear which companies I have connections with. I paddle for team Riot and for Mion Footwear. I am featured in Effort Inc. media productions such as Night of the Living Donkey.

The reason I can talk about Jackson boats is that I used to paddle for them on their regional team. This isn't bitterness and it isn't some sort of an attack in order to make people buy Riots. I just had to be honest about my experience as a team member and my brother's experience as a customer. There is a certain point where, despite the fact that I used to paddle for them and despite the fact that I like them, I have to be honest.

I left their team because of problems with their plastic and outfitting, not because of the design.
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Old 12-21-2007   #12
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I have to disagree with you bad views about Jackson. They are good boats and if you have a problem with your boat you get a new one no questions asked. (Carmen hooked me up too).
They actually admit that the blue boats had a problem. I believe that they addressed the problem and they are trying to be the best with the best product.
I have do not have experience with a lot of different boats. Although my Prijon has the hardest plastic that I have ever seen. But it is also really heavy. But not too heavy to carry down to gunny gorge with 30 beers in it.
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Old 12-21-2007   #13
caspermike

Profile:  Casper, Wyoming
Paddling Since: 2002
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all of the numerous dagger kayaks i have purchased some even demos. can take any hit given lets say " rolling a subaru over your kingpin and nomad."

dagger plastic is bomb.
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Old 12-21-2007   #14
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Profile:  Pottsville, Pennsylvania
Paddling Since: 2007
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17
I've heard many good things about Dagger
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Old 04-01-2008   #15
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I will not reveal my source, but let me clear this Jackson thing up. Jackson has to send their molds to a third party to mold the boats. Said third party either wasn't paying attention or decided to skimp. Rockers take a shorter amount of time cooking than the Megarockers. Said third party cooked a batch of Megarockers at the time and temp for the Rockers. Result is a bad batch of boats. It happens, it even happens to other companies. Plastic is good, hooray for oil, yippie for war.

Prijon plastic is not heated but air blown hence the structural integrity of Mother Theresa

Fuck I did it< I responded to a year old post. I am angry and going to bed now
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Old 04-01-2008   #16
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Profile:  Minturn, Colorado
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all of the numerous dagger kayaks i have purchased some even demos. can take any hit given lets say " rolling a subaru over your kingpin and nomad."

dagger plastic is bomb.
Dagger boats are good tool bags.
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Old 04-01-2008   #17
LoopDog

Profile:  Denver, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 77
CasparMike is a tool bag?
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Old 1 Week Ago   #18
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In defense of Wavesport, I bought one of the first run ezgs, one of those made in the first few months with later known problems. When my boat cracked over the thigh braces a few months outside of the 12 month free replacement period, the tech rep at my shop had a new boat (with noticeable beefier plastic) on my doorstep within 2 weeks, at no cost to me. I researched the issue online when my boat cracked and found it to be consistent that the cracked boats were because of defective plastic and all made in a specific time frame.
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Old 1 Week Ago   #19
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Profile:  D.C., Washington, D.C.
Paddling Since: 1979
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2005 fun vs 2007 fun

I'd like to know your take on the performance differences on the two model years. I'm just learning to trick, weight 165 and want to buythe older (cheaper) model. What advice would you have? What do you specifically do now that you weren't in earlier model? Note: do you come east ever?

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I guess it depends.

I had a 2005 2Fun and my boyfriend didnt tie it on the roof very well and it flew off the roof at 70 miles an hour on I-25. It got hit by two cars and side-swipped by a semi-truck. The boat had tire marks on it but it was perfectly fine.

I think they changed the plastic because my '07 2Fun does not seem as strong. (I have not had to test it on the highways yet though, thank god!)

Maybe that is the problem. What do you think David?
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Profile:  DIllon, Colorado
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I'd like to know your take on the performance differences on the two model years. I'm just learning to trick, weight 165 and want to buythe older (cheaper) model. What advice would you have? What do you specifically do now that you weren't in earlier model? Note: do you come east ever?

I coccur the plastic on my 07 FUN is soft! I think my Pyranha plastic is stronger. I like my Fun though its a good play boat.
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