Over the years I have ran into some instances that a BERD should be filled out and in almost every instance it was a BC skier who instigated the negativity Just like the folks in the parking lot the other day for some reason it has become cool to be the sic-o-more-richeous-than-you-asshole-tele guy. Why? Was there a memo sent over the ranger gram that this type of behavior is ok? For some reason these people think it is advantageous and acceptable to be demeaning to other user groups (smart plan). I am not kiddin people like snough seen to think that they are the almighty and have the righteous hand to strike backcountry law upon public land. I for one call bullshit. If you are this angry at us sledneckers and it looks like society - you seriously need a hi life and a hug! Or at least an outlet for your energy (thanks Danielle).
Snough guys like you and me will disagree about this point all day. You cant seem to get it through your thick skull that tons of time and planning went into people needing a place to get away. FOR THE LAST TIME LOOK INTO WILDERNESS AREAS / THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE 46 MILLION ACRES OF WILDERNES AREA IN COLORADO. I know that a measly 40 some odd million acres is not enough area for a guy like you to get away guess what there will never be enough area for you to get away - unless you move to Alaska. You are like the child who cannot for what ever reason share even a small part of the sandbox well in Colorado we as a collective group have choose to share our public sandbox - sorry I was the one who had to tell you that. Whatever you are looking for keep fighting the good fight man!
My final piece of advice you can take it or leave it - for it is worth less than nothing Go chain yourself to a tree up there on your sacred public property! Others will follow! Before long you will have 3 people and enough to start a drum circle! Soon all the hippies of the land will be able to follow the smell of pachuli up the Mountain to the sacred spot on Medno Pass where snough stood up to the evil snowmachiners, drove them back to Iowa, and changed the world! Wait a second I just talked myself into joining in Snough I will happily use my snowmachine to haul the first set of chains up the mountain for free any hippie friends will have to pay for gas and oil!
Just kiddin I know that we will both be makin turns and if I ever run into ya I doubt it because you are going to take advantage of those WILDERNESS AREAS but if you run into our crew dont hesitate to ask for a ride up the pass or a miller hi life.
I agree with what Bill says. If you can't drive there in the summer, then why should you be able to drive there in the winter. There is a time and place for snowmobiles and Montgomery Pass is not the time and place. Whoever was up there had to pass through wilderness and/or closed areas to get up there from what I can tell. What the bubbleheads don't get is that when their uneducated brethren make poor choices the impact on the image of snowmobiles is huge on the rest of the backcountry community. My opinion about the few jerk snowmobilers who can't seem to get a grip will not change on the day I'm rescued by a snowmobiler. I usually carry a digital camera and I will be taking pictures of their license plates and highmarks when I see them in closed areas.
Maybe someone could link this thread to a local northern Colorado snowmobile website, they may be interested.
Go ahead it's easy to find.. www.sledcity.com It won't go far, like other offroad groups like Mile High Jeep Club, members and clubs are very responsible and put alot of time into education as well as building and maintaininng access and trails as well as restoring area that have been ruined by the idiots, probably alot more money and time than the backcountry tele crowd, I can't think of any organized tele groups that collect money and do these kind of things. Complaining to these guys won't get through to the idiots out there.
My final piece of advice you can take it or leave it - for it is worth less than nothing Go chain yourself to a tree up there on your sacred public property! Others will follow! Before long you will have 3 people and enough to start a drum circle! Soon all the hippies of the land will be able to follow the smell of pachuli up the Mountain to the sacred spot on Medno Pass where snough stood up to the evil snowmachiners, drove them back to Iowa, and changed the world! Wait a second I just talked myself into joining in Snough I will happily use my snowmachine to haul the first set of chains up the mountain for free any hippie friends will have to pay for gas and oil!
RDNEK, I don't agree with you at all, but God that is some funny shit. I don't care who you are!
On the sled forums I am usually the one labled the greenie. To all the skiers (can't say boarders because they are all on snowmachines) a big high five for all your nrg. I just want to make turns, so take that "I'm gonna save the world" and go to Iraq or Saudi Arabia and try it on them people. You art that are so mighty and righteous, take your Yukon or ______(insert other 4X4 name here)and shove it up your ass. respect gets respect. attitude gets a face full of two stroke. Rdnek:where you ridding these days?
I used to be a "I earn my turns" type of skier. But, then I got on a 2-stroke 600 Cat (THANKS REDNECK!!) and it all changed. Within seconds of being on that sled I realized what I was missing out on. The thrill of a REALLY fun machine tearing around the wide-open powder fields, and many other types of terrain. Oh, not to mention you get sooooooooo many more turns in on your skis or board.
When I used to bitch about snowmobiles while I was hiking it had nothing to do with being "Green" it had everything to do with a touch of jealousy. I would never had told you that back then, but I can admit it now. I still like going to places that you hear nothing but nature, which is why I kayak. So, when I want the full nature experience I go to a "Wilderness Area" and get that experience.
IMO-they (earn my turns people) just don't know what they are missing.
Marko and Redneck- I have always been an earn your turns tele skier. I could not agree with you guys any more that there is a place for sleds and a place for people who want to ski in solitude. When I go hike and ski I choose a place that i know sleds can't go, weather it is wilderness or just too many dense trees for most sleders.
I can say that when i am out skiing and a sled comes roaring by it can be abnoxiuos, however when I am skinning and a sled is passing me and the sled slows down and passes at a safe speed there is no problem.
There are too many wannabe purist BC skiers who for some unknown reason try to ski at a location where there are sleds. To me people like snough are to soft to actually break trail in an area where there are no sleds.
In my experience, there are FAR more places that people can go ski without sleds than there are places to go snowmobile.
I too have a sick new M7 that i love to rip in the BC. My favorite thing to do is to get right in front of some skier that is using my sled track and go real slow and let them suck my exhaust. Ah- just kidding. My real favorite thin to do is to arc huge turns at 50mph in nipple deep powder.
In closing I have a blanket statement to make to all you people who hate snowmobiles and can't stand it when you encounter them on your 'epic' BC ski adventure-- You are all pussy's. Get a clue and some balls and go find yourself a place to ski where sleds can't go.
all i can say is f##k the sled heads. nothing is worse than having sled show up in the wilderness. a place where i should be able to ski in peace. or have some a##hole high mark the slope you are sking. if the sleds staied where they are aloud to be they wouldn't be such a problem.
Shit...the snowmoskiers/boarders earn their turns too...those machines ain't free! There's a lot of hard-earned paycheck going into a snowmobile, I know, we've got Skandic 600.
The only anti-biler thing I agree with on this thread is that the machines should stay out of the Wilderness areas. I do my part, you can count on that.
ebaker, i still want to hook up with you at buff or north park some weekend! had great time there over new years and would love to see more of the area.
Everybody in the world is entitled to their own believes and to say that snowmobilers are in the wrong is wrong on your part. There are plenty of places where you can go and get away from the hand of man as you would say. They are called wilderness areas. Areas where no motorized travel is permitted. I think that if you want to get away from man then you are living in the wrong time and more importantly in the wrong state. Being from Colorado and also a avid outdoors-men or yuppie isn't Colorado where you find most your yuppies with their Subaru's and ski racks and stickers plastered allover there bumper. Hey I think that if you want to get away from people you can. You have to do some homework and find where the wilderness is in your area and then go there because their wont be any snowmobiles because they are not permitted and if they are they are breaking the law. It kind of like going to a ski resort and expecting to get fresh turns every run. Deal with it or do some research and get in the wilderness. Learn that public land means public to everyone black or white, Skier or Snowmobiler. Go have fun and dont think about what others are doing!
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