So I decided to take my own advice and move this debate to the Eddy, where it belongs. All the permit holders with 10/1 and later launch dates are going to be looking for answers and don't want to read the rantings of the radicals.
That said, let me take up where alanbol left off;
From your post:
"In this round, however, the president and his aides maintain that when it comes to raising the government’s borrowing authority and meeting its debt obligations, there’s no bargaining. To conservatives wishing to undo the 3-year-old health care law in exchange for an increase in the nation’s credit, Obama on Friday said bluntly: “That’s not going to happen.”"
How does that differ from what I wrote?
BTW, there's a "clean" CR w/o all the Obamacare BS in it on Boehner's desk (passed by the Senate earlier today). He won't bring it to the floor because it would pass. Boehner and the GOTP would rather shut down the economy.
Exactly. Obama has said NO NEGOTIATION. The Senate kicks the C/R back to the house "as proposed"
And for those who want to jump up and down and scream that the Publicans are holding the nation hostage, you are absolutely correct. They are.
And it isn't the first time politics has gotten wrapped up in budget and debt limit fights;
In 1953 during the Dwight Eisenhower administration, fiscal conservatives in Congress at times have used the debt limit as a way to force concessions by the executive branch on spending. Eisenhower, a Republican, had particular trouble with a Democrat, Sen. Harry F. Byrd of Virginia, over the debt ceiling because Byrd was skeptical of Eisenhower’s plans to build the national highway system.
In 1973, when Richard Nixon was president, Democrats in the Senate, including Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. Walter Mondale (D-Minn.), sought to attach a campaign finance reform bill to the debt ceiling after the Watergate-era revelations about Nixon’s fundraising during the 1972 election. Their efforts were defeated by a filibuster, but it took days of debate and the lawmakers were criticized by commentators (and fellow lawmakers) for using “shotgun” tactics to try to hitch their pet cause to emergency must-pass legislation.
In 1982, Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker unleashed a free-for-all by allowing 1,400 nongermane amendments to the debt ceiling legislation, which resulted in five weeks of raucous debate that mostly focused on limiting federal court jurisdiction over school payer and busing. The debt limit only passed after lawmakers decided to strip all of the amendments from the bill.
One of the most striking examples of a president being forced to accept unrelated legislation on a debt-ceiling bill took place in 1980. The House and Senate repealed a central part of President Jimmy Carter’s energy policy — an oil import fee that was expected to raise the cost of gasoline by 10 cents a gallon. Carter vetoed the bill, even though the United States was close to default, and then the House and Senate overrode his veto by overwhelming numbers (335-34 in the House; 68-10 in the Senate).
And a Bloomberg survey showed that almost 2/3 of those surveyed feel budget cuts are a legitimate discussion for both new budgets and raising the debt limit.
Americans Reject by 61% Obama Demand for Clean Debt Vote - Bloomberg
What I see as different this time is the hard line positions BOTH SIDES are taking. In reality, neither side is much willing to negotiate.
If I had a Grand Permit launching on 10/1 it would take a bit more than an armed guard to keep me out.