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Old 07-08-2009   #1
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We are on my wife's Federal Blue Cross Health care and I'm here to tell you it smokes any teacher plan that I could get. Our 2 kids cost us $20 each for the copay for the initial visit to get the preg test. other than that all free. We have a pretty good choice of doctors and dentists limited only by the lack of them in the area not by the plan itself.
I say give the public option a chance. People can always choose private insurance if it doesnt suit them.
It is the HMO lobby that is spreading all the lies about the loss of choice when actually they are the ones that limit us to their network providers.
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Old 07-08-2009   #2
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We are on my wife's Federal Blue Cross Health care and I'm here to tell you it smokes any teacher plan that I could get. Our 2 kids cost us $20 each for the copay for the initial visit to get the preg test. other than that all free. We have a pretty good choice of doctors and dentists limited only by the lack of them in the area not by the plan itself.
I say give the public option a chance. People can always choose private insurance if it doesnt suit them.
It is the HMO lobby that is spreading all the lies about the loss of choice when actually they are the ones that limit us to their network providers.

Well hell ya! Since it's so cheap, you and your wife should get right after making a few more of them little chittlin's! YEE HA!
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Well hell ya! Since it's so cheap, you and your wife should get right after making a few more of them little chittlin's! YEE HA!
Nope... Snipped clean last year
Also Free I might add
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Old 07-08-2009   #4
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After that exchange, I really need to go see a therapist right now. However, since I'd pay for it out of my own pocket, I'll just drink a Coronita'(with lime) and a shot of Patron and finish my day at work.
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Mmmm, Patron. Ewww, Corona.
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Old 07-08-2009   #6
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Mmmm, Patron. Ewww, Corona.
I know, my tequila, my wife's beer. Worse things have happened to me.
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Old 07-08-2009   #7
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Well it seems Congress and Obama have been bought and paid for by the healthcare lobby.

The lastest version is not "single payer" or even "public option" but "individual mandate". FORCE everyone to buy insurance from the for-profit insurance companies. This is nothing but a giant gift to the corporate
for-profit healthcare industry. There will be huge subsudies for the poor and forced purchase for everyone else. We will get higher taxes and no healthcare reform.

Winner: Corporate healthcare
Loser: Voters and taxpayers

So much for change!
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Old 07-08-2009   #8
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Really good discussions over at the Atlantic from McCardle about the nationalization of health care, and the things people in favor of government involvement tend to overlook. Various links (which for some reason I can't access at the moment) but here's the general Atlantic/McCardle link.

Megan McArdle

If you look at her links of recent posts you can see several related to nationalization efforts in regard to healthcare.

Neither Medicare nor the Military (which are our two largest socialist Federal programs) can contain their own costs nor improve significantly their service delivery to the people. That one would think the FedGov can implement a program more effectively, efficiently, and satisfactorily (to the citizen) should really make one question your assumptions.

Personally: I have no qualms about nationalized health care in any of its forms, but that's because I realize care is going to have to be rationed on a cost-effectiveness basis. I accept the fact that the buraucracy will have to pronounce death sentences based on cost-benefit analyses of the population of the country as a whole. In fact, I'm the kind of guy who could sit across the table from you and say, "You're cancer treatment is too expensive for the limited benefit it would provide to your life expectancy, and so, we can only make you comfortable while you await your inevitable death to this unfortunate disease. Sorry."

Now, that's heinous, of course, but it's objective.
And before you think my inhumanity is legend in stating this, bear in mind that I buried my girlfriend at the age of 37 after she was diagnosed with glioblastoma multiforme. So I have walked in those shoes and witnessed what it means to be a survivor when you're given no chance to survive.
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Old 07-09-2009   #9
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Good read El fanco,

If it takes standing at the door i will and it will bother me. But, cant imigration ( elo-police) folks stand at the door and document folks and still give them care. This would send a message to folks, 1.) you better be sick. 2.) you will be documented and finger printed with a butt load of paperwork, for certification of who, what when. 3.) You are expected to pay, now. and yes we can make arrangments to pay as you go. Address, tel. number, driver lic. green card, ect.

This method will weed out folks and start filling the gap of un-documented citizens.
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Old 07-09-2009   #10
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Good read El fanco,

If it takes standing at the door i will and it will bother me. But, cant imigration ( elo-police) folks stand at the door and document folks and still give them care. This would send a message to folks, 1.) you better be sick. 2.) you will be documented and finger printed with a butt load of paperwork, for certification of who, what when. 3.) You are expected to pay, now. and yes we can make arrangments to pay as you go. Address, tel. number, driver lic. green card, ect.

This method will weed out folks and start filling the gap of un-documented citizens.
Hell, I'd prefer the hospital sends the bill to the US company or individual that chose to hire them illegally instead of a taxpaying citizen (but good luck figuring that out). In my opinion, that's the basis of immigration- jobs that US They don't pay it within 30 days, fine them for double the cost. Criminal charges for those who habitually hire undocumented workers.

As for your idea about withholding care- I'm sure the Brownshirt Hospital Guard Corp will go over really well at the 2010 Sociopaths Convention in Orlando.

In other words, it's not a politically, financially or ethically reasonable suggestion.
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