Too many negative things to say regarding MC Douche-bags' rants - so let's focus on some positives.
South Main = tax revenues for BV
South Main = increased recreation opportunities in BV
Increased recreation opportunities = more people in BV = more revenues for the town
Green Appliances = a step in the right direction (though I'm sure they went beyond that)
As a former CB resident now residing in the FR you make me want to puke. Please move to WY and go fuck sheep with Casper. Your illiterate rant illustrates the reasons that you guided for 17 years and still couldn't make it in the valley(s). I have a recomendation - stop bashing on some of the most respected individuals in our community and do something - anything - productive.
I could go on all night, but I'm done taking a crap here and want to get back to real life.
Mike Carura, Chris Adelman here, aka Mut, to some of my friends.
I have a couple disclaimers but I will wait until the end of my post.
I just wanted to let you know a few FACTS to help you understand reality. First, South Main (SM) never ever pitched itself as an "affordable housing" project nor did it ever commit to build any "affordable housing". SM always said that housing in its project would be attainable due to flexible land use regulations (PUD Guidelines) and free market forces.
The SM PUD guidelines allow people to build multi family projects on the same size lots as single family houses. The PUD guidelines also allow for commercial, mixed use and residential to all exist in close proximity.
What this does is it allows for a variety of types and sizes of housing/commercial projects. When there is variety of this type there will inherently be disparities in unit prices. A 750/sqft. unit will sell for less than a 1500/sqft. unit.
So, SM never promised to deed restrict or use other methods to create controlled price housing. It did advocate for flexible land use regulations that allows people to build anything from low price units to super high end units.
MCSKID, you are wrong to say that SM ever promised any price point on the housing.
To illustrate my point, SM has 2 bedroom, 1100sq.ft. row houses for sale under $230,000. The mortgage on a $230,000 home is about $1200-$1500 per month. That means that you and a roommate could cover your mortgage at a rate similar to a rent of $600-$750/month.
I find it hard to listen to someone say that $1200-$1500 per month to own a home in a nice mountain town is not "Affordable". MCSKID, what exactly do you think is affordable??
I can understand that the new construction in SM can look, well... new. It is new. MCSKID may think that the project is yuppie or sterile just because the roads are actually asphalt and there are things like curbs and gutters and trees... But what else would it be? Should the project have been built like a movie set so that it looked old right away? In 5,10,15, 50 years... the infrastructure will still be solid, the architecture will blend into BV and surrounding towns and the houses will not be falling apart.
MCSKID takes issue with the idea that the project was designed by kayakers for kayakers.... Well, I don't think that you can dispute that Jed and Katie Selby are kayakers. They don't even suck at it like most of us. As for the "for kayakers" part.... that was an advertisement (you know, a plug for your product) on a Kayaking forum. That doesn't even take into consideration that Katie Selby drafted the grant documents to GOCO that were responsible for obtaining the funds to build 3 more play features in town, or that the Selby's donated all of their river front property to the Town as a town park, or that SM committed substantial cash to construct the play features and the river trials. While SM will not kick out non-kayakers, I think it is hard to argue that it was not designed with the kayaker in mind. Again, CMSKID, what is your idea of "for Kayakers"?? Is it buffed out camping pads with built in BBQ grills? What is your concept?
MCSkid, what bothers me most about your post is that you have taken no time to understand the project or to learn the facts about the project. Instead you chose to blow your wad on your keyboard in an attempt to foster your own ill will. Do you lack the ability to begin a constructive debate without resorting to you pubescent rants? How old are you? Do you still live with mom (or do you wish you did)? Just wondering. I am trying to get a better understanding where you are coming from?
Anyway... if you want to know more just pm me or call the South Main office.
Oh yeah, for those disclaimers. I am an attorney and have represented South Main since they began. I am also close friends with the Selby's and the entire South Main crew. I am also a dirt bag kayaker that just happens to be an attorney.
Mut, esq.
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I dont understand how this personal rant about real estate stayed in the boaters forum for so long. I moved it to the Eddy where all personal rants belong.
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Double the size of BV, how is that going to happen? I do not see anywhere enough room for 1000 homes on SM. I live in town, own a home and work in the general area. SM is not going to force me to move away so I am not going to worry about it. In the mean time I think I may go enjoy our WW park. Thank you SM and the Shelbies for your help in making that happen.
My only complaint is the riverside trail does not go all the way to Johnson's village!
plan to, i work for a living, daddy didn't leave me with a big bank account.
I'd wager that the Selbys probably work as hard, if not harder, than you do Slick. A development of this magnitude is a lot easier to fuck up, take shortcuts, or sell out than it is to bring it to fruition. You wouldn't have any idea, because it's clear you never went to any of those commissioner meetings or community input opportunities. Seems to show how much you care about the Valley.
I find it admirable when someone who comes from a wealthy family, could likely sit back & collect a family paycheck, but instead chooses to apply hard work and their reputation to a worthwhile project (IMO).
Your comments are starting to smell more like jealousy than righteous indignation.
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Name is Mike Catura, know in the valley as Mike C.
good to meet you Mike. I am sure we probably know each other. I have been around since '93.
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worked at runners from '89 to '06, used to live in the butte, had to move to the front range(too dumb to know how to change my profile), never owned a place there, just rented floor space. should be enough info for ya harv.
I wasn't actually that interested.
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and by the way harv, don't being stealing blanchfield's lingo.
I don't know who Blanchfield is, but I'll be sure to not "being stealing his lingo".
I know better than to respond to these kinds of posts and I am sort of bummed I did. But I did, so all I will say before I discontinue wasting time on this one is that I walked the South Main property in 2003 with Jed before they even closed on it and have worked with both Jed and Katie ever since on the whitewater park. They had a vision and they have worked very hard to realize their vision. They taught themselves to do something that most people fail at.
You don't actually know anything about their finances so while it is OK for you to have an opinion about the perceived impact on BV or whatever your point is, the reason people like myself or Mut are going after you is that you made it a personal attack.
Mike Carura, Chris Adelman here, aka Mut, to some of my friends.
I have a couple disclaimers but I will wait until the end of my post.
I just wanted to let you know a few FACTS to help you understand reality. First, South Main (SM) never ever pitched itself as an "affordable housing" project nor did it ever commit to build any "affordable housing". SM always said that housing in its project would be attainable due to flexible land use regulations (PUD Guidelines) and free market forces.
The SM PUD guidelines allow people to build multi family projects on the same size lots as single family houses. The PUD guidelines also allow for commercial, mixed use and residential to all exist in close proximity.
What this does is it allows for a variety of types and sizes of housing/commercial projects. When there is variety of this type there will inherently be disparities in unit prices. A 750/sqft. unit will sell for less than a 1500/sqft. unit.
So, SM never promised to deed restrict or use other methods to create controlled price housing. It did advocate for flexible land use regulations that allows people to build anything from low price units to super high end units.
MCSKID, you are wrong to say that SM ever promised any price point on the housing.
To illustrate my point, SM has 2 bedroom, 1100sq.ft. row houses for sale under $230,000. The mortgage on a $230,000 home is about $1200-$1500 per month. That means that you and a roommate could cover your mortgage at a rate similar to a rent of $600-$750/month.
I find it hard to listen to someone say that $1200-$1500 per month to own a home in a nice mountain town is not "Affordable". MCSKID, what exactly do you think is affordable??
I can understand that the new construction in SM can look, well... new. It is new. MCSKID may think that the project is yuppie or sterile just because the roads are actually asphalt and there are things like curbs and gutters and trees... But what else would it be? Should the project have been built like a movie set so that it looked old right away? In 5,10,15, 50 years... the infrastructure will still be solid, the architecture will blend into BV and surrounding towns and the houses will not be falling apart.
MCSKID takes issue with the idea that the project was designed by kayakers for kayakers.... Well, I don't think that you can dispute that Jed and Katie Selby are kayakers. They don't even suck at it like most of us. As for the "for kayakers" part.... that was an advertisement (you know, a plug for your product) on a Kayaking forum. That doesn't even take into consideration that Katie Selby drafted the grant documents to GOCO that were responsible for obtaining the funds to build 3 more play features in town, or that the Selby's donated all of their river front property to the Town as a town park, or that SM committed substantial cash to construct the play features and the river trials. While SM will not kick out non-kayakers, I think it is hard to argue that it was not designed with the kayaker in mind. Again, CMSKID, what is your idea of "for Kayakers"?? Is it buffed out camping pads with built in BBQ grills? What is your concept?
MCSkid, what bothers me most about your post is that you have taken no time to understand the project or to learn the facts about the project. Instead you chose to blow your wad on your keyboard in an attempt to foster your own ill will. Do you lack the ability to begin a constructive debate without resorting to you pubescent rants? How old are you? Do you still live with mom (or do you wish you did)? Just wondering. I am trying to get a better understanding where you are coming from?
Anyway... if you want to know more just pm me or call the South Main office.
Oh yeah, for those disclaimers. I am an attorney and have represented South Main since they began. I am also close friends with the Selby's and the entire South Main crew. I am also a dirt bag kayaker that just happens to be an attorney.
Mut, esq.
hey mut, 40 years old, married, 20 month old son. going to school to be a nurse(i assume the lawsuit is on the way). so i'm not really looking at wanting to buy 2 bedroom place with a roommate and have to pay $750 a month to share a place. local colorado boy from working class roots, earned every dime and payed my way after i turned 18. guided forever in that valley, always thought it would be a nice place to live. really pyched on south main when it was first pitched, and maybe it was never offical but they were claiming lots in the $30,000 to $45,000 range, it was going to be within reach of people like me. probably not the kind of folks a laywer wants to live next to. as to what i think afforadable is, oh i'd say a 3 bedroom place in the $150's, that's what workin' class folks can probalby afford. that's gonna run you around $1000-$1200 a month. i'm taking teachers, county workers, nail pounders, nurses, the like. i have a hard time beleiving that any of my teacher friends in the valley can afford $750 a month, knowing what they get paid, hell it's hard enough for most of them to scrape by and it seems that they pay in the $350 to $500 range(not taking about the ones that get a little parental help). so to as where i'm coming from it pissed me off to drive in, walk through a so called single family home that was 2 bedroom's and supposedly 2100 sq feet(where did you get that number, i grew up in a 3 bderoom 1500 sq house that was a hell of alot bigger than that) and see it cost $465,000. super high end, the only way you afford that is if your bringing your money with you, cause there ain't in jobs in beuny that pay that well. so look at it from my prespective mut, i'm gonna be a nurse, maybe pull down in the $50,000 to $75,000 range, a good honest working class living. grew up in colorado and sure feel like i otta be able to stay here. place like south main drives up all of the real estate, making it increasingly out of range of people who earn their own way. but don't worry mut, it's the law of the jungle out there, money talks and bullshit walks, you guys win. sure wish i was smart enough to be a lawyer or daddy was a doctor, then i'd be welcomed with open arms(hell no, it's way better make it on your own, at least that's what us lower cast people tell ourselves). seeing as you are a dirtbag kayaker, don't you kinda long for the days when you didn't see audi's at the putin? best of luck to you mut, take care, mike c
ps- maybe well meet one day on the river and smoke the ol' peace pipe
i assume you have to earn in the $75,000 to $90,000 a year range and there ain't no job's in bueny that pay that much.
I make near that & there's NO way I could buy one of those places.
I've got nothing against Jed or the family for doing what they can do to get ahead (I just boguht another house, gotta do what you can!)
But I kinda (emphasis on kinda... easy now) agree, it's nothing like what I thought/ heard it was going to be. I'm not assuming that the affordable housing thing was spread by the people that knew what they were talking about, but it's kind of a bummer to see more of the same as it comes to development (I'm in construction, so don't lecture me aobut the economic side of things), it gets old. The main thing I agree with is the affordability issue, I'm on the high end of const' mgmt & my wife is a teacher with a masters degree & there's no way I could afford a place like those & they're not that big. Just kind of dissapointing.
I'm not saying it sucks or that it's evil, just that I "slightly" agree with MC.
Though I won't be buying a house there I WILL on the other hand be stopping by to stimulate the economy by spending my money at Eddyline, the best thing there IMO!!
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Wow, this thread certainly did not go the way I expected it to after reading the first post. I drove through South Main last year and thought it was pretty sweet.
We've got all kinds of affordable housing in Fremont County. Come on down. Developers please keep out until I buy more houses.
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