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Old 06-18-2008   #1
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Scathing article torture under bush

Report: Exams reveal abuse, torture of detainees - CNN.com

read and weep for our country.

contact your senators and demand accountability.

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Old 06-18-2008   #2
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Oh, it's far worse than that. It's far far worse.
It's funny that an administration which will not discuss the meaning of the term 'marriage' has engaged in such unctuous weasling on the meaning of the term "torture".


Money quote:
Four of the prisoners were held at Guantanamo beginning in 2002 for one to almost five years. All 11 were released without criminal charges. ...
Those examined alleged that they were tortured or abused, including sexually, and described being shocked with electrodes, beaten, shackled, stripped of their clothes, deprived of food and sleep, and spit and urinated on.
So we bring guys in, beat them, piss on them, lock them to the ceiling for days at a time, then we release them without charges. WITHOUT CHARGES?

And if you're out there saying "who cares what they do to the Haji's and towelheads over there" bear in mind that this can be done to AMERICAN CITIZENS simply by declaring the American a "domestic terrorist" for any reason the Executive branch decides (and they don't have to account to anyone for putting an American on the list). This HAS been done to Americans (Jose Padilla being the most egregious case).

More from the CIA lawyer in this link from Senate testimony:
"If The Detainee Dies, You're Doing It Wrong" - The Washington Independent - U.S. news and politics - washingtonindependent.com
Discussing what the law permitted when it comes to interrogation, Levin, quoting from the minutes, Fredman said: "It is basically subject to perception. If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong."
The response, from Guantanamo chief of staff, Lt. Col. Diane Beaver: "We'll need documentation to protect us."
These guys knew full well that what they were doing was illegal and immoral and in violation of US & International law.

As an aside to Liv, yeah I think this president should be impeached AND convicted, but the political ramifications of such an effort aren't worth the cost-to-benefit. THAT's why I say Bush should be tried as a War Criminal in The Hague. He'd stand no chance of acquittal.

We're a half-step away from Gestapo tyranny, here, Americans!

"self-aggrandizing jackass" - it says it right on the label
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The report is prefaced by retired U.S. Major Gen. Antonio Taguba, who led the Army's investigation

"There is no longer any doubt that the current administration committed war crimes," Taguba says. "The only question is whether those who ordered torture will be held to account."

Bush held accountable, BAH! His Republican stooges would never let that happen. Without 9 Senators from the rep. wing to go along, they can kill any action by the Senate.
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Old 06-18-2008   #4
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I found it funny that Newt (and other Rep's) has been bitching about the 5 judges who think they should determine the fate of criminals (habeas corpus supreme court decision).
Yea Newt, that is what judges have been meant to do for centuries. And remember, it was 5 judges that put Bush in the White House. Didn't hear any complaints there.
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I don't understand why President Cheney and his sidekicks Shrub and Rummy had such a hard-on for Saddam Hussein... since they clearly "admired" his detention/interrogation "style".
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Old 06-18-2008   #6
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McClatchy Washington Bureau | 06/18/2008 | General who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes

the question for all of us is: what are you going to do about this? go to house.gov and senate.gov and demand that your representatives DO something about this. demand accountability.

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