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Old 05-01-2008   #31
blutzski

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Jus keepin it real, folks. Get your heads out of the clouds. I don't "think like that", I'm observant enough to see that that's the way it is. What you call small minded I call pragmatic...realistic. Perhaps I've grasped and dealt with what your small mind is incapable of processing: our system sucks and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.
Good thing the people who founded this country and fought against the status quo didn't think like that. I'm not saying it's going to happen this election. But I can't vote for the lesser of two evils. That's just sending the message that you agree with the shit that's going on. Ron Paul's book being #1 on Amazon show that enough people are waking up and looking for a change. Hopefully it turns into a movement. There's alot of people out there that would support a third party but are currently afraid of throwing away their vote. I think that will eventually change. I'm starting now.

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Old 05-01-2008   #32
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The guys that threw off the yoke of imperialism and founded this country did so with guns and in a time when the technology they had equalled the technology of their oppressors. Anybody out there have an Abrams? An F-16? Didn't think so.

Those in power stay in power unless you boot them out. That aint happenin any time soon. Our only hope is an alien invasion...or robots. And then we're all screwed. Even more screwed. So hop in your nice car, drive down to the market where you have an incredible selection of goods or the river/mountain where you play and make peace with the fact that life is pretty good but isn't perfect and that neither Ron Paul nor anybody else with a modicum of integrity or independent thought will ever be your president.

That's life. Don't kill the messenger.
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Old 05-01-2008   #33
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I think you're right so long as life stays reasonably good and you can hop in your nice car and drive to the market to buy nice stuff.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it remaining that way in our lifetime. If you look at the state of the economy, what our ecomomy is based on, our national debt, who owns our debt, our trade deficit, the workings of the federal reserve, etc, etc, it's a minor miracle that it hasn't come tumbling down already. All it would take is China deciding our debt is not a good investment anymore and it all comes to an end. Once people can't afford to fill up there nice cars anymore and can't get credit to buy nice things at the store and see their savings erroded by hyper-inflation, those in power will be booted out in a second. It would just be nice if we din't have to hit rock bottom before that happened. But you're probably right. Americans are too stupid to be proactive.
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Old 05-01-2008   #34
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Old 05-02-2008   #35
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Let me say what you can do to make Ron Paul's message have an impact:
Register Republican, and vote Democrat this election.

Ron Paul is certainly the candidate I most enthusiastically support. Federalism is THE way to vote.
But Paul isn't going to get elected this time around (nor probably ever, but the weird circumstances of a Ross-Perot type campaign do come up nowadays in our politics).

Ron Paul represents what the Republican party is supposed to stand for. Keep out the religion, keep out the social engineering, keep out the foreign intervention.
Fortunately, the Republican party is staring down the precipice of a civil war and implosion based on the HUGE divide between the economic conservatives and the Focus on the Family Christianist conservatives.

If you really want to make Ron Paul's message heard, register Republican, and vote something else. This will make the Republican party more acutely aware that a lot of people would buy into their political ideology if it more accurately spoke of Federalism and local autonomy. I don't care who you vote for, just register Republican. The party will notice how many of its registered adherents choose a different candidate. And that, hopefully, will lead the war against the Jesus-worshipping, social engineering in the right direction within the Republican party, and we can start looking for the next Ron Reagan who speaks Ron Paul's message.
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Old 05-02-2008   #36
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I'm not so sure about that

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If you really want to make Ron Paul's message heard, register Republican, and vote something else. This will make the Republican party more acutely aware that a lot of people would buy into their political ideology if it more accurately spoke of Federalism and local autonomy.
How are they supposed to distinguish those from the Religious Right sitting it out because McCain called them "agents of intolerance" last time around? There's been a lot of talk about them doing just that, and you KNOW that's how they'll spin it if the GOP loses.
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Old 05-02-2008   #37
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The guys that threw off the yoke of imperialism and founded this country did so with guns and in a time when the technology they had equalled the technology of their oppressors. Anybody out there have an Abrams? An F-16?
It rather seems like a bunch of people in a big sand box are making life quite terrible for the U.S. Military right now w/o Abrams and F-16's.

When it comes down to it is a glass half full or half empty proposition. Your never going to agree with someone 100% so if you want to see it that way it will always be a lesser of two evils. You could however see it as a greater of two goods.

I don't see any difference between the R&D parties, they don't really stand for much of anything right now, it is all about saying whatever they think will get them elected. Once they are elected they will just do what people paid them to do or they think someone will pay them to do in the future while blinding the idiot middle class with whining about the "poor" that are some combination of to stupid, ignorant or lazy to succeed.

My main attraction to Ron Paul is he provides a refreshingly different view from the "two" mainstream parties and provides some diversity. Does he have some wack job ideas? Yes, absolutely. Does he have some different legit ideas? Yes, absolutely and that is precisely what we need in politics, some diversity.
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Old 05-02-2008   #38
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Does he have some wack job ideas? Yes, absolutely.
I haven't heard any yet that I disagree with. Have some examples?
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Old 06-13-2008   #39
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If you want to get serious about changing the direction this country is going....

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
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Old 06-13-2008   #40
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Thanks for the link, Blutzski... I just joined.
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