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Old 06-23-2006   #171
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hippies are disorderly and litterers. I've got some 8 x 10 glossy photos with words written on the back to prove it. They all belong on the Group W Bench with all the other mother-rapers, father-stabbers....and father-rapers.

This song is called Alice's Restaurant, and it's about Alice, and the
restaurant, but Alice's Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant,
that's just the name of the song, and that's why I called the song Alice's

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on
Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the
restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the
church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and
Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of
room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room,
seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't
have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be
a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So
we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed
on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the
dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off
into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the
side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the
cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we
decided to throw our's down.

That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the
next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid,
we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."

After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
police officer's station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
police officer's station.

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again,
which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid.
Get in the back of the patrol car."

And that's what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the
quote Scene of the Crime unquote. I want tell you about the town of
Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop
signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the
Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars,
being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to
mention the aerial photography.

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put
us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your
wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my
wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you
want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I
said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"
Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the
judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin' to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, "What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say", and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:


I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the

With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We're just waitin' for it to come around is what we're doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

Da da da da da da da dum
At Alice's Restaurant

sang with gusto by a hippy-boy named arlo guthrie. peace out dudes

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Old 06-23-2006   #172
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about Wookies I once was confused
Stand corrected so no more abuse
the lymric I started was really half hearted
but most was really the truth

Arlo, a nice hippie lad
got somthing good from his dad
ridin on trains & playin in rain
they worked hard to get what they had

Today Arlo drives a nice car
plays concerts in Central Park
accountants promoters bankers & lawyers
not like many hippies I'v seen
da da da daaaaaaa

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Old 06-23-2006   #173
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GOOD GOD PEOPLE! There are no hippies! Even the REAL* hippies had a "death of the hippies" party back in mmmmm 1971? Seems like the old stereotype has been employed without any historical knowledge of the term.

Gather 'round chillun if y'all want to be informed when you use the term "hippie".

As an oldster, I feel compelled to speak up. I grew up in the late sixties and seventies, sure there were bad eggs, but for the most part hippies were peace-loving partying people, who had conviction, principles and tried to change the world by making it a better, more peaceful place. Peace and love! Ain't a damn thing wrong with that message in my book. I like peace and I can always take a little good lovin' .....

The only similarity I see between the *true* hippies of the 60's and early seventies and the rainblowers is that some may have had questionable hygiene habits.

*Hippies represented a big chunk of a generation who were dissatisfied, disillusioned, rebellious, and ready to resort to drastic means to change a society they viewed as corrupt, hypocritical, and oppressive. This viewpoint came about when that generation became old enough to determine the difference between what they were taught and what society was really like. Do not forget nuclear arms proliferation, the civil rights movement; the sexual revolution, the ecological meltdown in our country and the draft for the Vietnam War were bringing all these things to a head.

We lived in an extremely oppressive society back then, you couldn't hang with people of different ethnic groups (forget different races) you couldn't listen to music that our society considered unacceptable, your very appearance had to be within certain boundaries or you were persecuted. Hell, dancing was discouraged in many places. People were inhibited to the point they were going crazy and at last the dam burst! Enter free love, drugs and rock and roll, baby!

*Hippies were concerned for the environment.
Rainblowers trash the environment so they can get wasted and blab about feel good solutions to life's problems without taking any action. Oops! I am sorry they do have a "strong orientation to take care of the earth" whatever the hell that means! Most likely any commitment from them will be vague and non-commital.

*Hippies believed in conservation
The very nature of the Rainblowers is anti-conservation (by their actions-not lip service you get from them) forget the fecal deposits they leave at all their gatherings - has anyone read anything about the rainblowers attempting to protect endagered species, forests from being clear cut, rivers from being dammed??? Remember the monkey wrenchers? They were most certainly not rainblowers, although they (rblowers) may claim differently.

*Hippies questioned a rigid social order by rebelling in non-violent ways such as growing their hair, listening to loud music, staging peace rallies etc.
From what I can tell, the rainblowers have some fantastical, deluded, self-generated, drug-induced idea that they are making a positive difference by some imaginary means with imaginary results. does anyone have anything concrete?

*Hippies were a social experiment that evolved into something else, hence the back-to-the-earth movement, which spelled the end of the hippies. Up until then they had chosen to be outspoken in public places for the purposes of demonstrations, hunger strikes, and sit-ins all in an attempt to make the world a better place through non-violent means.

During the early to mid seventies, a paradigm shift formed when they decided to "get back to the land". The focus panned away from confrontational means to changing our society through grass roots means. This was to be done by creating communal farms, having many babies and gradually changing the mind set of our population by increasing the numbers of "open minded" individuals in future generations. Unfortunately, for the former hippies, they did not know much about farming or living off the land. It gradually faded, times changed, former hippies became absorbed back into society. Their lack of country adaptation notwithstanding, their message did not die.

The good part was that the hippies had a huge impact on our thinking in society. They contributed to major changes in our views of nuclear power, racism, music, art, sexism, corruption in government, the rigid and unnecessary mores, and norms of our post-WWII society and the need for a war against communism in Vietnam.

The term "hippies" was invented by Robert Gleason of (I believe) the San Francisco Chronicle, back in 1965? They existed as a reaction to an oppressive society and when many of the *reasons* for their being ended, such as the Vietnam war, they also ended. It was a cultural phase - not an invention of a new type of American. There have always been sorry-ass losers who like to take any easy-answer some nut can provide them, for example, transcendental meditation, Jim Jones, Hale Bop cult, David Koresch, hare krsnas and finally for the grand finale the Rainbow Family! As far as I know, the rainblowers are as harmless as the Hare krsnas, but that doesn't make them hippies any more than it makes them krsnas.

This from their web site: "When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds, and who by their actions and deeds shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the warriors of the Rainbow"

When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying....Warriors???? Doesn't sound like the warriors are going to take a pro-active role in prevention, maybe they're waiting for...what? a sign from a comet. And the word "warriors" doesn't have much to do with peace...

These guys have absolutley no clue or it appears even the desire to locate one. They don't seem to have any plans to go about making the earth green again just rhetoric about doing it.

My final take is that the rainbow family is a way for charlatans to suck trustifarians into commiting their money to a "family thing" so they will feel like they are part of something (I won't comment on harboring criminals). In their delusions they may like to fantasize about being and living like hippies back in the day but that damn sure does not make them hippies.
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Old 06-23-2006   #174
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Maybe this has already been posted, this thread is too long to check. Good news from 9 news:

ROUTT COUNTY (AP) - The U.S. Forest Service said Thursday it denied a request by the Rainbow Family for a permit to gather in the Routt National Forest this summer.

Members of the group applied for a permit Tuesday -- more than a week after they started showing up in the forest. Officials say at least 500 people had already arrived. The Forest Service says groups of 75 or more people need a permit to gather in a national forest.

The Rainbow Family's annual event usually draws 15,000 to 20,000 people to public lands -- at different sites each year.

Forest Service officials say the group's permit application didn't meet the required guidelines.

The agency also says the site proposed for the gathering is served by only one road -- not enough to get large numbers of people out in case of a fire at a time when fire danger is high.

Officials also say the proposed gathering conflicts with other events and groups that already have permits for the same area at the same time.
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yeah, that was really funny to see. the forest service was all like "no, you cant have your party unless you get a permit!" so they apply and all and BAM "sorry, not today!". fresh. how do you disperse a group that size? tear gas? firecrackers? rubber bullets? nukes?
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BSOE, you have won Momma's affections. All women secretly love good poets. Maybe we'll meet on the river of love someday, if you don't mind an older, classy kind of gal.

But, Momma is also worried about the children--the real children. Was she the only one who saw those beautiful little girls in the 9News video with horribly dirty clothing and skin? Some of you boys were on other posts talking about your children. What if one of these people starts a fire, or a stampeed? What happens to those babies?

This is why, back in my day, we supported government agencies that helped protect our assests, our babies, and ourselves. Ah, those Roosevelts were handsome men. :wink:
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Old 06-23-2006   #177
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A monster wildfire would disperse the group. Lots of beetle kill up there in N.Routt that is just waiting for something to spark it. Hope they understand the potential for one of their fire pits getting out of control as it would be impossible for all of them to get out of the area in a rush.
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Thanks, momma. Age is no problem...and I'm willing to trade looks for a morally loose attitude.

That dog deserves a bone at least. He's my hero.
I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, vicious people, because I bet a lot of high schools would pick "Americans" as their mascot. -Jack Handy
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Old 06-24-2006   #179
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Update... This is amazing.. Momma, I saw the kids on 9 news and it was very disturbing, poor kids.. My issue is a possible MAJOR forest fire... I am going to rent a stealth video cam and make a movie, Rainbow's gone wild...

Saturday, June 24, 2006

STEAMBOAT SPRINGS — Routt County resident Tina Harding had not been pulled over in six years. That is until Thursday afternoon, when she and her 3-year-old daughter were stopped by U.S. Forest Service officers while delivering food donations to Rainbow Family of Living Light gatherers.


Despite notifications posted on some of the vehicles parked at the Rainbow gathering area, Harding was surprised to be issued a federal citation for illegal occupancy and use without a special-use permit.

"I'm not affiliated with them in any way," Harding said Friday. "I heard they were begging, so I decided to bring them some food."

Harding was not alone in her surprise.

About 230 other people cited during the past week for gathering on national forest land without a special-use permit were summoned to appear at 9 a.m. Friday morning before Federal Magistrate Judge David West. In an improvised courtroom set up in the garage bay of North Routt Fire Protection District Station No. 2, those who had been cited by Forest Service officers were called in to the courtroom in groups according to the officer who ticketed them.

"I only had 10 in my group," said Jason Parker, the Forest Service's Incident Management Team day shift supervisor. "I had two no-shows, one plead guilty to possession and paid a fine, and seven plead not guilty. Once someone pleads not guilty, they all follow suit."

As one of the first gatherers to be cited during Monday evening's sweeps, Gregory "GG" Mereida was among the first to plead not guilty Friday. Officers and defendants were questioned on the witness stand by Assistant U.S. Attorney Wyatt Angelo, and the proceedings dragged on as defendants questioned officers and pleaded their cases.

Mereida was found guilty of the petty offense of illegal occupancy and was issued a $135 ticket, including fees. He was allowed to return to the Rainbow gathering site, about 35 miles north of Steamboat Springs in the Big Red Park area of the Routt National Forest.

By noon, only 20 of the 232 cases on the docket had been tried. Parker said most of the citations were for illegal occupancy of forest land and use without a special-use permit.

Forest Service spokeswoman Diann Ritschard said the purpose of the hearings was to accommodate the summoned individuals with an immediate trial to help them avoid becoming subject to federal arrest warrants.

As the sun beat down on the hundreds gathered along Routt County Road 129 between Hahn's Peak and Columbine, the atmosphere became tense.

"They forced us under the threat of arrest to show up at 9 (a.m.)," Rainbow Family "nonmember" Gary Stubbs said. "There's no water, they won't let us fill up our water jugs, we've got a guy in a wheelchair and we can't use their handicap-accessible bathroom, and there's no shade. At the gathering site, we can at least provide those basic needs. This is comparable to Nazi Germany in 1938."

Volunteers from the North�--west Colorado Visiting Nurse Association distributed bottled water and containers filled at the nearby Steamboat Lake State Park facilities.

Most group members patient�--ly awaited their cases and searched for spots in the shade. A few shouted at officers standing guard nearby to secure the courtroom.

"We always go through this process," said the Rev. Rudy "the Raven" Acosta, a member of the original scouting council and veteran minister of Rainbow Family gatherings since 1997. "Eventually, we'll get permitted, and these tickets will be voided. We need more dialogue and cooperation with the Forest Service in terms of their suggestions of locations for us to scout and apply for to have our gatherings."

Although Acosta's optimism about the situation being resolved didn't appear to mesh with Forest Service officials' adamant denial Thursday of the group's special-use permit application, his call for cooperation could be the solution to the citation stalemate.

But Forest Service Incident Management Team spokeswoman Denise Ottaviano said that as long as the Rainbow gatherers insist on using an area where "forest conditions are ripe for large fires," officers will continue giving citations and holding hearings.
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no more kayakers dying ?...........too bad..thats the news I look for to make my day..!

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