Main topic: I agree with Jenjustduckie's... why is this even news?
Maybe it's just a diversion to get people to talk about useless information instead of talking about how the anti-war Democrats just sold out the people by voting YES on the 2009 war supplemental bill?
This bill also gives taxpayer money to the IMF - which won't be used to help Americans. Of course, you might not have heard about this recent news because the corporate propaganda machine barely mentioned it.
And, weren't these Democrat pricks voted in to stop the war? Remember the argument in 2006... "as soon as the Dem's take the House and the Senate we will be able to stop these wars, so vote for us." Then in 2007 when it didn't happen and they continued to vote in favor of more war funding the argument changed to, "well, it can't happen until the Dem's take the White House, the House and the Senate."
How's that going? Check out the vote talley
for the 2009 war supplemental bill. Notice how the Republican majority switched by voting No after years and years of voting yes when Bush was in office, and the Dems (who claimed they would end the war) started voting Yes. It sure is one big corporate family in DC!
I'm looking forward to hearing all of the nauseous excuses and rationalizations from the loyal democrat apologists.
Now to health care....
Originally Posted by Mr Beaver
As for me, I will take the incompetent Bureaucrat over the greedy Insurance Agent any day.
The irony of your statement, Mr. Beaver, is that with Obama's public-option plan you will most likely get both. The poor and the old who can't afford private insurance will get gov't assistance, but the rest of us will most likely be FORCED to buy private insurance from the "greedy Insurance Agent."
It isn't set in stone yet, but as the NYT's article suggests, Obama sure is whispering about it.
Think about it. How do you get insurance companies to lower monthly premiums? Do you force them? Not likely, given the fact that Senator Max Baucus, one of the Senators who is leading the charge for health care "reform", receives massive amounts of campaign funds from health insurance companies.
Also, it's just not how Washington operates and it never has been.
Concentrated capital always gets its way.... "In our society, real power does not happen to lie in the political system, it lies in the private economy: that's where the decisions are made about what's produced, how much is produced, what's consumed, where investment takes place, who has jobs, who controls the resources, and so on and so forth. -- Chomsky"
If you think Obama is going to break this power trend then I think it's about time that you take off your Obama t-shirt - it smells of dead hope. Obama is only different from the rest of the other snake-oil salesmen/politicians in the fact that he is much smoother in delivering his rhetoric.
Speaking of Obama... here is a flip flop for ya. When asked in 2003 about what it would take to get single-payer enacted he responded with, “First, we have to take back the White House, the Senate and the House.”
Now, he and the Democrats have it all and he won't even "put it on the table"
for discussion.... WTF!!!
Okay, back to the public-option plan... So you aren't going to force the insurance companies to lower premiums because their campaign money is just too tasty, and 99% of the time any given billion dollar industry simply gets what it wants.
What's the next best solution?
The insurance companies will lower premiums IF the gov't makes it mandatory for able-bodied people to buy private insurance. Problem solved... people are happy with lower monthly premiums and the private insurance industry makes huge profits from the new 30 million uninsured people who are forced to buy insurance.
The worst part about this is that most Americans will gladly think that this is a great deal - even though one more notch was taken away from their freedom. We've been beaten over the head for so long by an industry that profits off of the sick and dying that we will happily accept this "compromise" of being beaten over the head half as much - even if that means being forced to buy their insurance.
The only thing I find sad about this discussion is that nobody has mentioned the best option... single-payer
Now, for all of you knee-jerk reactionaries... single-payer is NOT "socialized medicine." Single payer is a non-profit insurance program run by the gov't. Before anybody jumps down my throat I suggest you read up on this plan... HERE
. I'm not going to try and explain the single-payer plan because PNHP.org answers every question much better than I could.
Seriously, read at least two or three of their studies and articles before you respond. Also, read this article
that debunks the myths created about Canadian health care - which would be similar to the single-payer plan.
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