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Old 02-02-2016   #31
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Looks like Rubio and Sanders were the big winners last night.A tie is a win for Sanders.Rubio finishing 1 pt.behind Trump and only 5 pts.behind Cruz ,in a state with so many Evangelicals ,is a win for Rubio,big time..He has the best favorability rating of the three for the general and might attract some swing voters the other two wouldn't...ii's just one state..thought NH was today ,thus the"atypical states" comment...

Sorry Huck and O'Malley dropped out.I really thought one of them would win...what was /is up with the absurd # of candidates on the repub side?...on the dem side - I thought Jim Webb might make some noise being a moderate with military bona fides...have liked him as a pundit ,but he really came off shitty in the debate whining repeatedly about time and seeming more hawkish than repubs...

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Old 02-02-2016   #32
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I'm a Bernie fan (and contributor) but the reality is the DNC and the primary structure is heavily stacked against him (as well as the MSM).

His best chance for the nomination is if/when they haul Clinton out of the convention in handcuffs.

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Old 02-02-2016   #33
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I have been a Bernie fan since he came on Thom Hartman's radio program every Friday and fielded phone calls from any Tom ,Dick,or Harry,who called in.He answered the questions directly and was/is amazingly consistent in his positions and depth of knowledge about legislation/policy.What other senator does that? I am very pleasantly surprised he is doing so well.In some sense he has already won by getting the issues he is passionate about more in the forefront of the discourse.Clinton will probably win ,and she better adopt some of his platform ( and not be too phony about it),or risk losing huge chunks of the dem base.I would not go as far as you suggest,but she is pissing me off by portraying Bernie as a harshly anti Obama gun nut who would undue Obamacare in some draconian way rather than make it better or transition to a better system in a benign way.

Whether Bernie's supporters will or won't turn out and vote for her is a big ?????
There is almost as much anti dnc establishment discontent on the left as on repub rnc side.I have beaten my head against the wall in the past trying to convince them that there are major differences between the two parties( still think so to a large extent) but acknowledge she represents everything they don't like about politics.She comes off as extremely disingenuous and politically calculating,but her positions can be very good and well reasoned.This is a funky election cycle where something may finally give,for better or worse.
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Old 02-03-2016   #34
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Trump got thumped!

Well, it's early, it will be interesting to see how the candidates shake out as the reality of the votes going forward sinks in.

I wonder if Trump, should he continue to loose, consider cutting a deal with Cruz or Rubio to run as VP. That combination I would vote for!

I see Clinton in a hot race between getting the nomination and/or an indictment.

An indictment would put the DNC in a nasty place; I don't think Clinton could win with an indictment on her, whether politically motivated (I don't buy it, but you know it will be shouted out) or not.

They'd be forced to focus on Sanders, the "2nd place candidate", and that assumes Clinton would step aside.

This is gonna be as good as Super Bowl 50!
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Old 02-03-2016   #35
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Trump got thumped!

This is gonna be as good as Super Bowl 50!

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Y'all actually vote?

I think the thing that disturbs me most in society are the low-information/no-information voters. Hillary Clinton is going to get ruined on several fronts. The classified email thing is pretty black and white insofar as the laws governing classified information go. There is no gray area, no loophole, no wiggle room in it. How do I know that? because I had to sign the same agreements she had and get the same damned briefings from the FBI about how one is supposed to handled everything from Confidential to Secret to Top Secret/SCI to SAP to Crypto and Nuclear. If they do not indict her or Oblama pardons her, you'll know which way the wind is blowing. She has another issue with money for favors that is equally as damaging.

Bernie Sanders is I am sure, a very nice guy. But really? You know how he's going to pay for everything he plans to give away? The bankers and traders will still have all their tax loopholes and "we the people" will get taxed into poverty.

Rubio is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that. He is a Washington insider. Not someone I would ever trust.

Cruz? Nice and decent man, he really is. But he's an evangelical nut job.

Bush? Nope, had enough Bushes to last a lifetime. Jeb did love his cocaine back in the day though, and oh yeah... He and Manuel Noriega were on quite friendly terms in the 1980's.

Dr. Ben Carson? Nice guy, smart guy...but too nice of a guy to be President.

The turd from Ohio? No freaking way. Career politician.

Trump? He's at least interesting and I truly believe he could figure out how to fix the economy. I saw someone make a comment about him not being well versed in foreign policy. The man has done more business overseas successfully than the US Government ever has or could do.

Anyway you look at it, the powers that be are going to do what they want with "we the people". Until there is a true uprising in this country and we tar and feather the bastards, we don't stand a chance against the government and the corporations (of which your pal Bernie has been very very cozy with, just like Hillary, just like all of them).
And the Lord said, let there be whitewater. So on Friday, the 13th day of the month....
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Old 02-10-2016   #37
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Political talk eh? Your likely to rouse some old eddy trolls from their caves with this one...
I honestly don't care anymore. I've got better things to do with my time than watch this billion dollar shit show. There is no overcoming the idiocracy. I'm hoping Bernie and Trump get the nominations and then I'll vote for whichever one I think can drive the nail into the coffin of this country the quickest so that we can get around to rebuilding.
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Trump? He's at least interesting and I truly believe he could figure out how to fix the economy
If selling whats left of the US to China is a fix then he's the clown to do it.
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It's all decided by the time anyone counts my vote in Idaho.

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Old 02-12-2016   #40
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I know what you mean about being a small state in a western time zone.You feel that the election is decided before your vote is even counted.The media is not supposed to announce any results until all the polls are closed and votes tabulated.But they just can't help themselves with projections and exit polling results.The reality is though that rural states are OVER not under-represented,the bottom twenty states have roughly the same population as California and that means 40 senators to Cali's 2.And you have less people per electoral vote.It is hurting the country,as people in those states tend to be regressive thinking obstructionists,or at least the representatives they tend to elect are.The right leaning rural states are really an extension of the neo confederate mentality.The original version of that mentality had inordinate influence on policy throughout slavery and in shaping our history, since slaves counted as population in determining the number of representatives a state got but had zero say in the process.

It is tempting to just let the truly disinformed low information morons in this thread have it...maybe later

I kind of wish Robert Reich was running instead of Bernie.I love Bernie.They are making the same basic argument,but Reich explains things better and backs it up with a gazillion facts , and connects the dots .I would encourage people,especially Bernie fans who want to annihilate repubs in the water cooler wars,to read Reich's "Beyond Outrage" and Joseph Stiglitz's "Rewriting the Rules of the American Economy".

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