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Old 08-30-2016   #41
 
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If you read my comment you will notice I intentionally called your idea racist, not you. Important difference.

The other 50% only get the same subsidies the rest of us do. The census public assistant data is a big tent that includes classically maligned welfare to Medicare and Medicaid. It includes alot.

Your post includes misinformation again. 50% of your check definitely does not go to public assistance you disparage. Roughly 49% does go to public services but half of that goes to the Social Security people paid into and earned. And that is split based on nationsl demographics of the retirees not need based. So, the other 25% goes to Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA need based subsidies. But 2/3 of that went to retirees over 65 and the disabled in the form of Medicare. White Americans make up 77% of Medicare recipients. So only 8.3% of your federal tax dollars go to the programs and demographics your comments disfavor. You know, 41% less than you state.

When your ideas judge an entire race off of the actions of specific individuals that can clearly be defined as racist.

Never thought the US was a Utopia (read too much Huxley to think Utopias are real). Race and class have been significant elements of every society and every stage of their maturation. We have yet to burn under this influences and I doubt that is going to start anytime soon. I don't buy the dystopian rhetoric anymore than I do the utopian fairytale. I, like so many Americans, think we live in an imperfect reality that can be problem solved over time. We have a 200+ year history of doing so.

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Killary will win and your country will continue to deteriorate until race and or class wars occur.

<rant>This is true. Liberals will be the death of our country soon and any democracy for that matter. The problem with liberal thinking is where do you stop? Like gun control, liberals will never be happy no matter what. Even if all the gun stores stopped selling guns the liberals would still have a problem. Same with immigration, you let 1 million in now and they vote liberal and then vote their friends in and before you know it there are 5 million people lined up for medicare and financial aid for college. Who pays? They get the college aid and jobs before white people who have paid taxes for generations. Racism will never end under liberal thinking cuz there is always going to be someone that has been disenfranchised by the white man and the white man must pay to all females and minorities forever! Muslim thinking also has a problem. 5% go radical under the leadership of the warlord named Mohammad. Think about that. 5%! There is something fundamentally wrong when any group has 5% go that radical. So, yes, vote to allow more immigrants in to vote for more immigration and there will be nothing left of america. Liberals will never be happy and only want what they have when they lose it, but then it will be too late. </rant>
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When your ideas judge an entire race off of the actions of specific individuals that can clearly be defined as racist.

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I am a racist because 13% of Americas population committed 50% of gun violence in 2014 and now when I see 1 of the 13%, I'm scared!

I am racist because I turned on my TV and they told me I was racist.

restrac2000 please tell me how to stop being racist? I need your help.
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Clearly defined ideas that are racist. Never called anybody one.

Strawman. Swing and a miss.
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I love the idea that the media is one, consistent entity that people rail against. I actually read Schutzie's comments to be more nuanced in that "the media" does pick sides but it can and has done so for both candidates. Yeah, CNN and MSNBC tend to take friendlier stances for the DNC but you can't tell me "the media" that is FOX and Breitbart doesn't lean RNC. Considering all of them pop up on my smartphone, news feeds and are all quoted regularly I think they all influence their base similarly. The age of the RNC being the victim of some media conspiracy is long over, if it ever existed. I also find d it ironic that this particular victim stance is acceptable before a party that historical bashes the victim card (it's a critical part of the identity politics rhetoric).

Per college and education bias, huh. I grew up in Virgina and a suburb at that and I can tell you the bias did not lean DNC. I got my bachelor's in Utah which is almost as red as it gets and it's clear in higher education as it is in politics.

Such generic claims fall flat.
Thanks for proving my point. You cited 2 areas one being highly morman and two media outlets of the top 10.
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That's funny. The latest information I saw showed Clinton has 81% of the latino vote...

Clinton Has 69-Point Lead Over Trump in Latest Latino Vote Tracking Poll - Latino USA
Romney would have won with 20% of the latino vote.
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Clearly defined ideas that are racist. Never called anybody one.

Strawman. Swing and a miss.
Typical liberal response. Stick your head in the sand and spout some logical fallacy you leaned in PHIL 101. Your refusal to see what was in your face 15 years ago is the reason we have what we have now. The time will come in your life where liberalism with make you uncomfortable. You just wait until we have 5 million new Muslims voting in America. They will vote against women's rights and liberals will put them there. The republican party will grow. Think about that one, if you can get your head out of the dirt.. Look around, something is happening around here. Just saying.
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If you read my comment you will notice I intentionally called your idea racist, not you. Important difference.

The other 50% only get the same subsidies the rest of us do. The census public assistant data is a big tent that includes classically maligned welfare to Medicare and Medicaid. It includes alot.

Your post includes misinformation again. 50% of your check definitely does not go to public assistance you disparage. Roughly 49% does go to public services but half of that goes to the Social Security people paid into and earned. And that is split based on nationsl demographics of the retirees not need based. So, the other 25% goes to Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA need based subsidies. But 2/3 of that went to retirees over 65 and the disabled in the form of Medicare. White Americans make up 77% of Medicare recipients. So only 8.3% of your federal tax dollars go to the programs and demographics your comments disfavor. You know, 41% less than you state.

When your ideas judge an entire race off of the actions of specific individuals that can clearly be defined as racist.

Never thought the US was a Utopia (read too much Huxley to think Utopias are real). Race and class have been significant elements of every society and every stage of their maturation. We have yet to burn under this influences and I doubt that is going to start anytime soon. I don't buy the dystopian rhetoric anymore than I do the utopian fairytale. I, like so many Americans, think we live in an imperfect reality that can be problem solved over time. We have a 200+ year history of doing so.
We only have a 50 year history of Liberalism not to be confused with the Democrat Party. Over this time period black out of wedlock birth and dependence on a social net have climbed astronomically for good reason-the policies of Liberals are aimed at keeping them down and thus continuing the cycle of voting for them. The last 50 years also coincides with large debts each 8 year term president doubling the debt, soon this will catch up. Before you tell me debt service is less than it was 30 years ago well of course! Just do the math when rates are at 8% and we will be in a civil war.
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Black Americans have only had full franchise in the US for 51 years. Before then was not exactly a panacea for black Americans.

Pew Research shows poverty rate went down by 14% between 1966 to 2012, from 41% to 27 (white poverty rates increased by almost 2% in that timeframe). The best data I can find so far shows less than a 1 % increase per capita between 1985 and 1995 in relationship to programs like welfare, food stamps,cetc. Largest being housing assistance with a 3% jump in that timeframe.

Doesn't exactly fit your narrative. Willing to look at data if you got it that shows a statistically significant jump like you claim. Hard to tease out both decades of difference and race from research in such a short time.

You presume too much about my politics. I am one to critique our national debt and ad you pointed out its a persistent problem among every president since I have been alive. No way to link such a clean condemnation of liberalism with so many diverse presidents and Congressional members. I recognize the tendency for any government to expand its reach and therefore cost. Not sure why you decided to bring that ball out of left field.

Your arguments about race and the causes of disproportionate poverty are grossly generic.
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Typical liberal response. Stick your head in the sand and spout some logical fallacy you leaned in PHIL 101. Your refusal to see what was in your face 15 years ago is the reason we have what we have now. The time will come in your life where liberalism with make you uncomfortable. You just wait until we have 5 million new Muslims voting in America. They will vote against women's rights and liberals will put them there. The republican party will grow. Think about that one, if you can get your head out of the dirt.. Look around, something is happening around here. Just saying.
Not exactly Germaine or a coherent idea to interact with. Logical fallacies undermine logical conversation. And it was accurate to call it out. Why should I try to defend or argue an idea I never presented in the first place. Provides no benefit.

I put no value in such predictions, like the one you postulate. Read my previous comments about dystopian views.

Don't confuse constructively criticizing ideas presented on a public forum with sticking my head in the sand. Talk about jumping to conclusions.
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