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Old 09-20-2007   #1
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landis guilty

So, someone tell me why you would take testosterone in the middle of a race? Is it a masking agent? I thought he was innocent based on the experts I heard claim testosterone has to be taken for weeks or months to get a significant benefit. One of my Co-Workers is convinced someone from his team slipped it to him because he wouldn't sign with them for the next year?

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Old 09-20-2007   #2
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slipped him testosterone? give me a break. he took it to help him recover on a day that he bonked hard. if you are a pro(tested) athlete, nobody slips you nothing. you would be very knowledgeable about everything that you put in your body during the biggest event of your life.

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Old 09-21-2007   #3
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I was informed about Testosterone patches that athletes use to increase muscle recovery. Apparently these are difficult to detect if the patch is removed several hours before testing. It has been speculated that Landis left a patch on too long causing his levels to be extraordinarily high at testing time.
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Old 09-26-2007   #4
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I've done a lot of bike riding in my day, though nothing competitive. There was a time when I was looking for an endurance trainer, and I did a lot of surfing on the web. I don't know how much or how little credence to put into what I read when I was researching, but on the sites I went to, there was a lot of discussion about Lance and doping.

Most of the people providing commentary were endurance trainers, and there was an interesting split on doping. About two-thirds of the trainers said that everyone in cycling is doping because the tests are pretty easy to predict and beat. They didn't moralize on it much, except to say that if you're trying to compete for big money, and you know, or feel very strongly that the other "best" riders are taking this advantage, you'd be very compelled to do so yourself. I've done some pretty mild reading of Euro cycling in the last couple years, and my own conclusion is that yeah, they're all doping in some way or another.

One of the most interesting things about Landis' case is just how damn far ahead of everyone he got on that alpine stage. Sort of like "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck".

I think of cycling as the dirtiest sport in terms of that kind of 'cheating'. The question is whether it's really cheating if everyone's doing it... The last several years have seen a good number of famous riders get nailed somewhere along the Euro tours, if not the Tour De France.
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