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Old 06-23-2009   #1
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How much of this is actually fact?

Though this video is quite long, it is interesting. Note that it certainly a reflection of my own opinion, but it makes one wonder how much of what is said is really true?


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Old 06-23-2009   #2
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OK, you have linked a climate-change-denier flick that has high-quality production values. This is how "effective" propaganda is done. Perhaps you'll find this interesting:

Carl Wunsch, professor of Physical Oceanography at MIT, is featured in the Channel 4 version of the program. Afterwards he said that he was "completely misrepresented" in the film and had been "totally misled" when he agreed to be interviewed. He called the film "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two" and he lodged a complaint with Ofcom. He particularly objected to how his interview material was used:

"In the part of The Great Climate Change Swindle where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous—because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important—diametrically opposite to the point I was making—which is that global warming is both real and threatening."

Although Wunsch has admitted that he finds the statements at both extremes of the global climate change debate distasteful he wrote in a letter dated March 15, 2007 that he believes climate change is "real, a major threat, and almost surely has a major human-induced component".

Uh, I'm just gonna go find a cash machine.
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Old 06-23-2009   #3
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I never knew that climate science is where all of the money is at! Those sneaky, rich little scientists! Forget that the petrochemical industry brings in trillions of dollars each year from the sale of the prime anthropogenic source of greenhouse gases: oil and other fossil fuel hydrocarbons. Forget the tens of millions of dollars in campaign contributions from that same petro industry supporting politicians who will vote in favor of the industry's vested interest in keeping fossil fuels energy source numero uno. It seems totally clear now that it's really those self-interested, tree-hugging, fear-mongering, conspiratorial climate scientists that have the political clout to suppress the otherwise overwhelming evidence that people have absolutely nothing to do with this supposed "global warming" climate change! I'll bet the world's actually cooling. Even if the world is warming, then all it means is vineyards in north Britain and food and riches everywhere else. Warmer temps don't actually fuel nasty things like weather extremes. Well, maybe in Africa, but then, who cares about Africa?

If the northern polar ice sheets melt, then it just means open trade routes and access to more oil deposits.
Oh yes, polar bears. Well, no one wants polar bears to die off. Luckily, it appears they already survived one warm period in the past, so there's no conceivable way they could die out now. If their numbers are already in decline, well then, that's just a coincidence. Next point?

As for Africa, it's no wonder the scientists don't want it to develop. Do those Africans contribute even one cent to those scientists' salaries and/or research grants? No? Good, then they don't owe them nothin'!

Videos like this are kind of scary, seeming all slick and incontrovertible. I wonder where the funding for this film came from? I'd be awfully surprised to find out any of it came from oil interests.

A good quick one-page read on some of the numbers and theory behind CO2 and global temps is here. Info is from the University of California San Diego.

Here's a nifty graph:

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This is good read, do you have additional info. from University?
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