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Old 11-01-2006   #31
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I have seen much of the world and most of it is like man's life in his natural state: Short, nasty and brutish. America is the light.

but CGM you and I are not high minded or open minded or intellectual enough for our opinions to count, we should always let our elitist betters determine what is safe for us to think and where we can or can't boat.

Free speech is only for liberals, not trogs like us.

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Old 11-01-2006   #32
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Originally Posted by Trout_Bobber
you forgot Bill Clinton, he sought a deferment
I'm sorry- I should have been more specific. The list above are those that supported the continued war in Vietnam, but refused to volunteer to fight it. (Unlike Kerry & Gore, who could have used their influential families to get them out of service; but chose to go to Vietnam out of a sense of duty and courage). Nothing more cowardly than sending your fellow americans to fight a cause that you refuse to fight yourself.

Clinton didn't unilateraly start a war that has killed 3000 Americans either....and that's the point. One might argue that he may have been too reluctant to use the military during his presidency, but you can't call him a chickenhawk. And if you can name a time when he's called a Veteran's reputation and bravery into question, I'd like to hear it.

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Old 11-01-2006   #33
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Funny how we like to argue points over a faceless medium. Would you say the same things to each other face to face?

Besides all the who's smart / who's stupid and who turned belly up at going to war, we have greater concerns.

VA funding is down, educational spending is down, infrastructure spending is down. Our health care system is a mess. We are so dependant on oil that when it goes up (to the price the rest of the world pays) we have an aneurism.

The war started with a good premise and has degraded into a quagmire. Both options have there advantages and disadvantages. All I am saying is it is putting you and I in serious financial trouble. Before the end of our lives taxes will skyrocket to cover all the expenses we have neglected over the last 20 years. We are a credit card society with a buy today (freedom for Iraq) and pay for it tomorrow (by reducing teachers salaries and such). Do not even point out the "no child left behind" legislature, as it has shifted money out of school districts by putting in place a system of standardized testing that make it harder for teachers to do their jobs.

Republicans used to be know for fiscal responsibility. Now they are know for hatemongering and spending to much.

We need reform here and now. 1: Dependence on oil must change. 2: Letting our legislators put in special interest riders on every bill introduced must change. We are supposed to be a government of the people, for the people. I see us as being a government of the have $$ for the corporation and special interests.

Prove me wrong America!!!!!!!
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Old 11-01-2006   #34
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George Bush once said:

"(Terrorists) never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

Of course, he meant something different and it would be dishonest to intentionallly misinterpret in order to criticize for political gain.

Will you be widening your outrage to include the President?
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Old 11-01-2006   #35
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Originally Posted by Trout_Bobber
Well, I only lasted a year in one of the service academies about 22 years ago. They finally REALLY tested me for color blindness and I failed, had rigged/figured out a few Color tests to get in but they finally busted me.

So if I am a coward for not trying hard enough to cover up my own handicap, then so be it. And I am too old to enlist now.
Dude- you're lying about your attempt to enlist. WOW.

Color blindness does not preclude you from serving, although you would likely be pushed into the Corps of Engineers or another non-combat role. It's been that way since 1940 -most went into the Sea Bees. (although really, I doubt you are color blind because you would know this). What type of color blindness do you have? Can't see camo?

And also- the age of enlistment in the Guard is now 42. If you were in a service academy 22 years ago at age 18, then you still have a couple of years to serve.
Let us know when you've signed up.

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Old 11-01-2006   #36
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Hi everyone. Please don't get angry and resort to name calling and threats. Peace boating brothas.

Lets face it Kerry lost and America spoke. lets hope it was a lesson for Dems to put up a better candidate next time. I hope Repugs get crushed next week so they will put up better candidates next time. I really wish I could vote for someone instead of an anti-vote.

Also Trout protesting is legal and part of free speech last time I checked. I know you want this to be a dictatorship so maybe you should be the one to move.
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brendodendo, what do you drive? I hope it something that runs on Bio Diesel. Once again worry about your self and I will worry about me. I don't sweat gas prices and I am sure I drive more than most of you (40,000 miles last year.) There are alternative fuels that work fine now the more of it you buy the more it will come available. I can't wait in ten years you a-holes will be bitching about the evil farmers growing corn and canola for production of ethanol and Bio diesel. The fact is you will always have something to bitch about.

I would even guess most of the libs that spout on here about how bad America is would've tried to weasel out of every war we have ever been invoved in. Revolutionay, WW I, WWII. You would've have said the same shit. There is a peacful solution, we are the reason for this, we deserve this for what we have done. Well Fuck that, protect America. How can guys that huck waterfalls and paddle class V be such a bunch of Femenist Whorebags off the river?
Such a long long time to be gone and a short time to be there..... GD
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Old 11-01-2006   #38
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Never attempted to enlist, (Love how the left puts words in my mouth) attempted to get a commission, USMMA (United States Merchant Marine Academy, graduates can get Navy Active Duty Commissions) they switched up the order of the colored dot numbers and I missed 1 too many about 3 too many times.

anomalous trichromacy: try www.google.com And in my case the shades I see are different from most people.

Can still remember how impassive the DODMERB Dr was. Gave me multiple chances but that was that in the end.

Recently asked my wife about me enlisting, she put her foot down on that one. Call me whipped, but don't call me a coward. Did not know they raised it to 42, but I don't want to have to ask the boss again.
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Old 11-01-2006   #39
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Gosh, I don't see that one on this list:

The disqualifying medical conditions are listed below. The International Classification of Disease (ICD) codes are listed in parentheses following each standard.

The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are:
a. Lids.

(1) Blepharitis (373), chronic, of more than mild degree.

(2) Blepharospasm (333.81).

(3) Dacryocystitis, acute or chronic (375.3).

(4) Deformity of the lids (374.4), complete or extensive, sufficient to interfere with vision or impair protection of the eye from exposure.
b. Conjunctiva.

(1) Conjunctivitis, chronic (372.1), including trachoma (076) and allergic conjunctivitis (372.13).

(2) Pterygium, (372.4), if encroaching on the cornea in excess of 3 millimeters (mm), interfering with vision, progressive (372.42), or recurring after two operative procedures (372.45).

(3) Xerophthalmia (372.53).
c. Cornea.

(1) Dystrophy, corneal, of any type (371.5), including keratoconus (371.6) of any degree.

(2) Keratorefractive surgery, history of lamellar (P11.7) and/or penetrating keratoplasty (P11.6). Laser surgery or appliance utilized to reconfigure the cornea is also disqualifying.

(3) Keratitis (370), acute or chronic, which includes recurrent corneal ulcers, erosions (abrasions), or herpetic ulcers (054.42).

(4) Vascularization (370.6) or opacification (371) of the cornea from any cause that is progressive or reduces vision below the standards prescribed in the section on vision requirements.
d. Uveitis (364) or iridocyclitis.

e. Retina.

(1) Angiomatosis (759.6), or other congenitohereditary retinal dystrophy (362.7) that impairs visual function.

(2) Chorioretinitis or inflammation of the retina (363), including histoplasmosis, toxoplasmosis, or vascular conditions of the eye to include Coats’ disease, Eales’ disease, and retinitis proliferans, unless a single episode of known cause that has healed and does not interfere with vision.

(3) Congenital or degenerative changes of any part of the retina (362).

(4) Detachment of the retina (361), history of surgery for same, or peripheral retinal injury or degeneration that may cause retinal detachment.
f. Optic nerve.

(1) Optic neuritis (377.3), neuroretinitis, secondary optic atrophy, or documented history of attacks of retrobulbar neuritis.

(2) Optic atrophy (377.1), or cortical blindness (377.7).

(3) Papilledema (377.0).
g. Lens.

(1) Aphakia (379.3), lens implant, or dislocation of a lens.

(2) Opacities of the lens (366) that interfere with vision or that are considered to be progressive.
h. Ocular mobility and motility.

(1) Diplopia (386.2), documented, constant or intermittent.

(2) Nystagmus (379.5).

(3) Strabismus (37, uncorrectable by lenses to less than 40 diopters or accompanied by diplopia.

(4) Strabismus, surgery (P15) for the correction of, within the preceding 6 months.

(5) For entrance into the USMA or ROTC programs, the following conditions are also disqualifying: esotropia of over 15 prism diopters; exotropia of over 10 prism diopters; hypertropia of over 5 prism diopters.
i. Miscellaneous defects and conditions.

(1) Abnormal visual fields due to disease of the eye or central nervous system (368.4), or trauma (368.9). Meridianspecific visual field minimums are as follows:

(a) Temporal, 85 degrees.

(b) Superior-temporal, 55 degrees.

(c) Superior, 45 degrees.

(d) Superior nasal, 55 degrees.

(e) Nasal, 60 degrees.

(f) Inferior nasal, 50 degrees.

(g) Inferior, 65 degrees.

(h) Inferior-temporal, 85 degrees.
(2) Absence of an eye, congenital (743) or acquired (360..

(3) Asthenopia (368.13), severe.

(4) Exophthalmos (376), unilateral or bilateral, non–familial.

(5) Glaucoma (365), primary, or secondary, or pre-glaucoma as evidenced by intraocular pressure above 21 millimeters of mercury (mmHg), or the secondary changes in the optic disc or visual field loss associated with glaucoma.

(6) Loss of normal pupillary reflex reactions to accommodation (367.5) or light (379.4), including Adie’s syndrome.

(7) Night blindness (368.6).

( Retained intraocular foreign body (360).

(9) Growth or tumors of the eyelid, other than small basal cell tumors which can be cured by treatment, and small nonprogressive asymptomatic benign lesions.

(10) Any organic disease of the eye (360) or adnexa (376) not specified above, that threatens vision or visual function.
These are two of many threads that delve into color blindness and your options. GOOD NEWS! The Marines don't have a restriction, apparently.



I can use "The Google" too.

To be clear- you're now saying this WASN'T your quote above:
They finally REALLY tested me for color blindness and I failed, had rigged/figured out a few Color tests to get in but they finally busted me.
Sure sounds like you were leaving us with the impression that you were trying to 'enlist'. Your words- your mouth.

Don't hurt yourself backpedaling.
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Old 11-01-2006   #40
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Spiral bound, color dotted flip book on heavy paper, supposed to be able to pick out the numbers from this pattern of color dots. Have no idea what they use today in the military.

Navy Opthamologist or Optometrist gave it to me. Not once but three times, he looked at me and then marked on and signed some papers and looked very impassive at me.

Next morning I was in the Battalion Officer's (a faculty/advisor type officer) office and was told to get ready for a trip back home and I was told to call home.

"anomalous trichromacy" is what my Optometrist calls it today.

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