Go Back   Mountain Buzz > Other Chatter > The Eddy

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-12-2015   #1
Paul7's Avatar
Post Falls, Idaho
Paddling Since: 2000
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 781
Help me understand this Grand Canyon Heli rescue

A Grand Canyon (Mis)Adventure: Disaster at Hance – Beyond the Edge

The boat is pinned/stuck on a rock leading into Hance in the GC, long story short the group is unable to either unstick the boat or rescue the 2 people. In the picture the rock does not look terribly far from shore.

I'm a newer boater never have ran the Grand however it seems that a group should be ready for something like this? Granted best way to deal with it would be avoidance of the rock in the first place. Could they have swam the rapid with a throw rope rescue? Was there nothing they could have done to unpin the boat?

The other thing that baffles me is the boat unpins its self the next morning and it was not secured by a line. What would have been the outcome had they not seen the boat to rescue it such as in the night?

I'm not interested in shaming a party I would just like some help understanding such a situation to better my understanding.

Paul7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2015   #2
kayakfreakus's Avatar
Steamboat, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1999
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 887
That is written weirdly and hard to know what really happened. Two people stuck on a pinned raft in the Grand is hardly a reason to call in NPS. They said they had experience so hopefully they tried to self rescue. If they honestly tried every scenario and then a few jerry rigged ones then maybe. I also wonder about trip participants that cause worry if they hit the water. Granted Hance would not be a pleasant swim, but it is still pool drop. Just seems like an overreaction to the situation I read.

If you can't reach the boat with one rope, use two.

Ferry a boat out off shore to get a rope to them, or derig to a paddle raft and paddle out to them.

Use a strong swimmer rescue to get people off the raft and not swim the entirety of the rapid.

So many options and plenty of time to try things with the scenario they described.

Take along a kayaker who can get to a raft pinned in the middle of a river and offer options

kayakfreakus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2015   #3
Grand Junction, Colorado
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 434
Yeah...Hance Rapid is so Pool-Drop-like... it would only be a half mile swim.
When we quit believing in our corrupt political system, it will finally fall apart. REVOLUTION!!!
Outlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2015   #4
sledhooligan's Avatar
Craigamerica, -
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 129
Thats one churched up article on Hance.
No one cares that you are a river guide
sledhooligan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #5
Eagle, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1996
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 185
"After 60 minutes of trying nothing, we had to call for the chopper rescue."
teletoes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #6
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 176
Clearly, she if she'd dropped her souvenir rock as soon as they got pinned they would have been unstuck momentarily.
jaffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #7
Evergreen, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 129

Here is a view of the swim. I'm 35 and grew up swimming in rivers, so I'd probably be comfortable with jumping off the raft and trying it with support at the bottom to pick me up, but it wouldn't be pleasant. And it sounds like they had some older people on the raft. When I went, it would have been a bad day to ask my Mom and Dad to jump into that and swim.
gwheyduke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #8
Paul7's Avatar
Post Falls, Idaho
Paddling Since: 2000
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 781
I could careless that they relied on the NPS but what would have been the outcome if there was no such communication. I would guess that waiting for another party to help that had boats on the upriver side would have been the likely outcome.
Paul7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #9
Quiggle's Avatar
Summit County, Colorado
Paddling Since: 92
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 90
I wouldn't want to swim Hance, hell I wouldn't want to be stuck on that rock at the top of hance, I wouldn't want a boat in my party stuck on that rock. That being said trying for an hour in my opinion would only be the beginning. That rock is out in the middle of the river and would be hard to get a rope to from land, but a little experience and a good safety kayaker can go a long way in my opinion.
Side note I hope the sat phone and I keep our distance when in remote locations
And sure lets call it "pool drop"
Quiggle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2015   #10
no tengo
mania's Avatar
Baytopia, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1876
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,768
It absolutely shocks me in this day and age that the author considers it might be her fault for picking up a rock. Of course you should not pick up rocks in a national park but how does that affect the line of the other boatman??? and also giving up after 1 hour is just pathetic. sad story all around.

mania is offline   Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Topic Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Trying to understand San Juan and Animas flows raferguson1 Whitewater Kayaking 13 05-21-2013 07:43 AM
Help me Understand the Embudo Gage buckmanriver Whitewater Kayaking 12 04-26-2012 09:38 AM
buzz viewers who understand 1976 copyright act vtpackraft The Eddy 0 12-10-2011 12:33 AM
Help me understand this West Slope vs. Front Range stuff basil Whitewater Kayaking 55 05-09-2007 04:13 PM
I don't understand rasdoggy Whitewater Kayaking 6 04-11-2005 07:54 AM

» Classified Ads
Wavesport XG 48

posted by rendock

Wavesport ZG 48 kayak, fun all around boat, hardly used...

Wavesport Super EZ

posted by MaxInTexas

There is a lot of life left in this Super Ez. No major...

Demo Jackson Karma L

posted by 4CRS

Used 2016 Jackson Karma LG whitewater kayak - lightly used...

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:21 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.