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Old 09-11-2008   #21
Self-Aggrandizing jackass
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, sorry. - watch the lectures.

And hypocrisy is a survival mechanism, I'm afraid. Like the first rule in rescue on whitewater. "Don't become a victim yourself" - it's sad, but necessary.

"self-aggrandizing jackass" - it says it right on the label
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Old 09-11-2008   #22
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Ride the bus! Like I said, this is better than I do (when I drive to work). The fact is I have driven 15,000 miles on a waste product, vegetable oil, used to fry french fries and tempura, and is not a petroleum product period. The emissions are miniscule and there are no global warming emissions.

Obviously this isn't the only solution but we need to have all sorts of solutions including hybrids, totally electric vehicles, natural gas cars, diesel hybrids, hydrogen, etc. That way we are not dependent on one thing.

I am also using this opportunity to plug biodiesel and alternative energy because boaters, as a clan, give a crap about the environment, because we are in it...up to our eyelids in it! Let's do this!

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Old 09-11-2008   #23
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Damn, I had a well thought out reply and I must have timed out. Oh well.

Heliodorus, I like your dry humor. Very Jack Handy of you. I would though challenge you on the first rule of whitewater survival. I believe it to be "stablizing the situation". If you can get to your buddy who is swimming and not make matters worse then you consciously and voluntarily violate the so called survival mechanism, yes? Then again, perhaps somewhere that too is hypocritical? I'm confused. Oh well.

Whether we take the bus, work from home or drive a McJetta, we've adapted to an immediate unstable situation ($4 gas) and in doing so we are doing our part to solve a long term unstable situation (global warming). It's when we subconsicously point the finger at others for what they are/are not doing that bothers me. Hell, I'm just as guilty of it (see my earlier replies) but the whole point was making ourselves aware of it.

I have only one last question for Johnny. Is it true that your exhaust smells like French Fries?

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Old 09-11-2008   #24
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Last point from me.

In this global warming debate, there is nobody holier than thou. Your doing good Johnny and I agree that the boaters I know care greatly about the environment.

Seriously though, Tempura? I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.
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Old 09-11-2008   #25
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Currently I am getting my oil from Fontan's sushi who primarily use their Soy oil for frying tempura. My exhaust smells like tempura.
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Old 09-11-2008   #26
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Johnny, I gotta talk to you - I bought a TDI Jetta a month ago and I'm looking to make the bio jump....
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Old 09-12-2008   #27
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This business about sunspots and the earth cooling is pure hogwash. This won't counter global warming/climate change. See RealClimate

It's very sad that these things get blown out of proportion and people have a hard time separating fact from fiction. I think it is good to question scientific truths that are told to us, but scientists aren't slick politicians. We need to be more aggressive to seek the answers.

Good places to start are:


For responses to global warming denial, look at: RealClimate

I hope this helps.
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Old 09-13-2008   #28
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Let me know what your interests are. Do you just want biodiesel or do you want to make your own. It can be expensive to buy. Also let me know where you are. I'm in wash park. It would be cool if we could help each other out. Sources for the oil are my main concern right now as they can be tough to find.

Congrats on the tdi, they are tough to find, and if you don't already know check this site:
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Old 09-13-2008   #29
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Does it have to be soy? I don't know what they use, but Capt. D's fries damn near everything and does some volume.There is one on Havana and Exposition . Do the fast food and chain restaurants give their stuff away or have other arrangements?I could ask around some mom n' pop places for you,help out the cause.I live around Quebec and Mississippi not too far from WP.Seriously.
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Old 09-14-2008   #30
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If you can find any sources i would be geatly appreciative. The oil type is not too much of a concern. Canola is the best as it has the lowest gel temp, but i don't care too much.

A lot of restaurants already have a system in place to get rid of the oil and some are paid for their oil. It is worth asking though. The closer to wash park the better for me as i don't need to drive far to get it. Let me know if you have any success!


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