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Old 10-30-2008   #21
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MAD definitely does NOT work when dealing with "non-state" players. You don't know who/what to target. America's/Israel's nuke arsenals don't intimidate people without a country. Besides, they're looking forward to virgins in heaven. You gotta wanna live for MAD to work.

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Old 10-30-2008   #22
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exactly. they bitch about our adultry and shit but they get how many virgins in heaven?

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Old 10-30-2008   #23
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Don't know which is worse, the acts themselves or the childish trivialization/moral equivalence shown toward such acts.

Historically, the danger lies with those so willing to trivialize and brush it all away. No joke.
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Old 10-30-2008   #24
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Originally Posted by DurangoSteve View Post
Not sure what you mean...
Had to go 4 pages into to find anything about it.. I guess oil profits and DL Hughley asking where the post election party is going to be (front page of CNN) are more important..

Intel says Iran plans secret nuclear experiments - Yahoo! News

A couple good things about current oil prices.. Oil companies will not be making record profits, Iran and Venezuela will have less money to spend on this stuff.

A bad thing about current oil prices.. the green movement to alternative energies could very well stall or all together be moved down the priority list of all the stuff that needs to be taken care of.
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Old 11-01-2008   #25
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Mutual Assured Destruction kept the US and the USSR from pushing the button. If Iran's mullahs were to be insane enough to attack Israel, the Israeli nuclear response would be crushing. No one knows exactly how many nukes Israel has, but rest assured it's a bunch. Probably plenty to vaporize most large Iranian cities. The big question: does MAD work when yer dealing with religious fanatics?

MAD requires rationality.
Does MAD work for religious fanatics who are downtrodden, destitute and very angry? Probably not.

Does MAD work for religious fanatics who are rich and powerful and who control an entire nation? Most likely, Yes.

"The Mullahs of Iran, even amongst the hardliners, are by no means suicidal, and place great value on their unyielding grip on power. They know very well any aggression towards Israel will have serious consequences for longevity of the Islamic Republic and hence their monopolistic rule."

This article is a great analysis on the Iranian nuclear position.
"Many important details of Iran’s nuclear program simply do not form part of the mainstream debate. Contrary to the myth surrounding Iran’s nuclear program, an informed and reasonable observer will quickly realize there are indeed two sides to every coin, and that claims of the Iranian nuclear ‘threat’ are arguably more political than factual; that the United States’s unbending stance in rejecting Iran’s offer of negotiations without preconditions – United States insists uranium enrichment must be totally suspended – has served to exacerbate a dire situation. The fact is, Iran is in compliance with international law in practicing its legitimate right to develop nuclear energy technology in accordance with the NPT. Let us explore some additional facts."

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