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Doesn't anyone know how to use google? It took me all of about 7 minutes to find these three! Doubt if it will change any minds, though. Go back to believing whatever you want!
Tmttr, maybe they arent doing anything to improve things especially in Ohio. Dont most political pundits think that McCain vs Hillary is better for McCain than McCain vs. Obama? Hillary won Ohio in the primary.
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This was my point exactly- fraud by negligence is just as bad as fraud by direct intention.
And Livingston, I emailed "Lexta" because I also could find no name and no established credibility on the site. We'll see...
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Tmttr, maybe they arent doing anything to improve things especially in Ohio. Dont most political pundits think that McCain vs Hillary is better for McCain than McCain vs. Obama? Hillary won Ohio in the primary.
I was trying to indicate that maybe they are still rigging elections on purpose.
The lack of press coverage is very confusing. I mean that cant quit talking about the ex-governor and him hiring a pro. You think they would have been all over this for months. Not foxnews but the rest of them anyway. One possibility is that, and its mentioned in the article, that this would tear at the very fabric of our nation and it was best to move on. I dont know but this is depressing me.
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The best book I have read on the subject is 'Armed Madhouse' by Greg Pallast,his statistics definitely dont jibe with this Lexta person,did I mention he is a statastician [sp] and a forensic economist himself as well as journalist for the BBC.The exit polls were always considered a very reliable source of info until Bush came along.The worst rigging occured in Mexico's last presidential election,the exit polls showed that Lopez-Obrador won by 7% but Calderon won by 1/2%,they found thousands of ballots in a dump[100'000?] and had video of stuffing ballot boxes,not to mention caging lists compiled by Choicepoint a company implicated in the Florida 2000 debacle.Which brings me to another point on what Andy said,the government contracting process is totally corrupt[ maybe not in your arena] but all these no-bid contracts for war contracting and the new security industrial complex.Halliburton should have been ineligible to bid because the GAO and Pentagon Budget Office had pending charges of overbilling
and under performing.Choicepoint's CEO and another high ranking officer had been indicted/convicted[?] of insider trading,both profit massively from the no bid process.I THOUGHT REPUBLICANS HATED GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND WASTE,MY ASS.
back to Mexico,it was critical to the Bushies that MEXICO NOT BECOME the tenth country to go left in Latin America,the great ignored story other than villifying Chavez.Argentina,Chile,Brasil,Uraguay,Ecuador,Boli via,Venezuela,Nicaragua,and Cuba,all democratic except Cuba ,several left governments reelected in internationally monitored elections.What no media coverage of this dreaded domino sequence, Bush calls 'false populism'.In his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS he bragged about a new trade accord with '100 million people' as some Nafta/cafta triumph but he needed to leave the hemisphere for half of them,So. Korea,and since when did we buddy up to Columbia[since we want to fuck with Chavez] the third country was Panama.Were'nt we already in with SK ANYWAY,Brasil alone is 175+ million people he didn't get for his FTAA,AND HAD TO RIG MEXICO TO KEEP THAT 110 MILLION IN THE FOLD.
Ironically Pallast was schooled at the U. of Chicago by Milton Friedman and Art Laffer fathers of neo-con economics,but unlike Wolfowitz he is a critical thinker.On his bookjacket instead of praise[in addition to] he quotes critisisms by Hannity and Limbaugh,priceless.
the exit poll discrepancy was far from the only indicator of corruption.Boatnmike you can find stuff on the internet to support whatever position you have,the key is to be able to discern what is legitimate and what is bogus,for that you need see greater patterns from a historical and sociological perspective,something Americans are generally pathetic at,other countries see it more clearly because they have been thru this bs before and US is pollyannaish about how we are somehow above it all.
I know a good bit about Mexico, and I don't think it's "right-leaning" corruption has anything to do with the Bush administration, in all seriousness. It's a classic example of oligarchy running the democracy.
As for election tampering, one is left wondering whether this happens on both sides of the party divide, and I think it would be naive to assume it does not. That doesn't excuse any of it, and it could be a defense mechanism in me, since I don't want to believe any party is out there rigging elections.
I'll pay more attention (to both parties' states). It seems that at some point, Federal regulations for voting are going to be required for all states.
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Usually the PRI tries to avoid being dominated by the US, but since NAFTA and other neo-liberal policies started during Clinton and perpetuated/expanded by Bush[ neo con is a neo liberal World Bank/IMF'r on steroids], the rich in Mexico have benefited tremendously[while real wages have dropped 40%],that coupled with the rise of the Zapatistas and other indigenous and human/economic rights groups has made the left far more viable[as well as the populist current flowing from the south's influence ].So the two have buddied up in their mutual interest to slow the tide,keep Mexico in the fold.Choicepoint got Homeland Security contracts to data mine in other countries,suposedely for terrorists,yet they assembled personal data on citizens in several Latin America countries holding elections[and where the left was favored to win] not on Saudis,Paki's or Emirati's,you know where the 9-11 culprits were from.They were caught red handed funding and providing caging lists for the opposition in Venezuela,in conjunction with USAID and NED , the Orwellian named National Endowment for Democracy whose purpose is to interfere in the elections of other countries.No it is not all Republicans,Madaliene Albright [sp] is one of it's heavies.These are considered well established facts internationally ,but basically blackballed stories in the mainstream press,liberal media my anus,chickenshits beholden to corporate interests and right wing propagandists is far more accurate.
Democrats are not above corruption, to be sure, but the rigging of elections in the US in recent years is 95+% on [gop]and it is a vast conspiracy by any definition of conspiracy,they used operatives at all levels of government in many states.I hope the Republicans try to make hay of the 'disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan',while it does suck and sort of cheat them out of a say in the candidate selection process it's nothing relatively speaking ,go ahead and open up that can of worms,problem is the public is in denial and the media has no guts.
corrections;Calderon is P A N not PRI,but PRI still dominates the private sector and has half the governorships and a majority in the legislature,they are trying to reinvent themselves as centrists.PAN is the right wing pro Nafta party,Calderon was in charge of IFE and electoral 'reform ' at one time as well as close ties to Pemex and the utility companies both big ripoffs and a revenue stream for the stockholders.In the past PAN was believed to be a phony opposition front party of the PRI ,but they became more independent and viable after THE UNBELIEABLY CORRUPT REGIME OF SALINAS GORTARI,starting with his dubious election victory in '88,he was hailed as some economic wunderkind by both Bush 1 and Clinton[ it was Bush 1,Salinas and Mulrooney that came up with NAFTA,Clinton enacted it],until he was involved in numerous scandals and went into exile.Anyway the pro nafta part as well as a desire to stop the spread of 'false populism' explains why the Bush administration ,at a minimum,supported PAN and hooked them up with Choicepoint.Lopez -Obrador was way ahead in the polls until a massive propaganda campaign equating him to Chavez and Morales and grossly distorting their records at the eleventh hour.904,000 votes [triple Calderon's margin of victory] were discounted,there is ' 'spoilage' even in honest elections,but who controls the discounting criteria is critical.I also have my suspicions that PAN and PRI still have some overlap.
it's Palast not Pallast,on the bookjacket of 'ARMED MADHOUSE' there is no quote by Limbaugh,though I am sure he has dissed him somewhere I saw,maybe his other book.Besides Hannity and Katherine Harris insults being used, he has one by WhiteHouse spokesman' "we hate that sonovabitch"
About Hillary's slim-to-none chance of winning the nomination. Here's the money quote from the author to get to my point:
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Last week, an important Clinton adviser told Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen (also of Politico) that Clinton had no more than a 10 percent chance of getting the nomination. Now, she’s probably down to a 5 percent chance.
Five percent.
Let’s take a look at what she’s going to put her party through for the sake of that 5 percent chance: The Democratic Party is probably going to have to endure another three months of daily sniping. For another three months, we’ll have the Carvilles likening the Obamaites to Judas and former generals accusing Clintonites of McCarthyism. For three months, we’ll have the daily round of résumé padding and sulfurous conference calls. We’ll have campaign aides blurting “blue dress” and only-because-he’s-black references as they let slip their private contempt.
For three more months (maybe more!) the campaign will proceed along in its Verdun-like pattern. There will be a steady rifle fire of character assassination from the underlings, interrupted by the occasional firestorm of artillery when the contest touches upon race, gender or patriotism. The policy debates between the two have been long exhausted, so the only way to get the public really engaged is by poking some raw national wound.
My point is about why I could never vote for Hillary Clinton and even Bill if he could run for a third term (there was a time there before this election cycle where I wished he had been able to keep going after 2001, but this election has reminded me why I hold the Clintons in such scorn).
The Clinton machine cares more about its ability to hold power than they care about anything they can do with that power. And when they have any power, they will weild it ruthlessly to smite those who oppose them, whether the opposition is a group/individual of moral integrity or a partisan hack. They draw no distinction between the likes of Obama and Sean Hannity and will stoop to any level to reduce their "enemies" to helplessness.
Hillary will continue to provide fodder to the nuts in the right wing against Obama simply so that she has a shot at running again in 2012, preferably against someone on the right (McCain).
I listen to people who declare themselves Hillary supporters (over Obama or anyone on the right) and I have to know: How can you defend what's going on?
Is it because she says one thing with her lips while her advocates do the dirty work? I can't see how anyone can draw that distinction with a clear conscience.
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