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Old 04-17-2008   #101
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I know and associate with many assholes, Blutzki and I went to Gauly with a bunch of them. But that is not what makes me an asshole.
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Ohhhhhh. Good point. What if when I'm running for president and campaigning in Pittsburgh, my opponent brings out airport security camera footage of erdvm1 putting the hit on that life-size statue of Franco Harris. End of my political career right there.

I just get frustrated at the way the candidates have to run their campaigns nowadays. The whole first half of the debate was a mud flinging fest. But what really got me was when they finally got to the issues, they seems to switch their focus from the "checkout aisle tabloid" viewer to the "what are you gonna give me" viewer.

I believe this was a direct quote from Obama. "If you vote for me I'll bail your stupid ass out of that zero down adjustable rate mortgage you couldn't afford in the first place and put the blame on evil mortage companies." (ok, maybe paraphased a bit). Both him and Clinton seem to think its the government that provides jobs and prosperity. What exactly is "shared prosperity" other than taking from the evil rich and giving to their poor consituency? Neither could give a straight answer to the moderators question about how every time taxes on capitol gains are cut, tax revenue inreases and vica versa, when capitol gains taxes are increased, tax revenues go down. They're not stupid. They know the facts. But if they don't pander to the lowest common denominator of the democratic party who think stock is something you put in soup, they'll never get elected.

All that being said, I'm hoping Obama gets nominated and I'll vote for him. My two main concerns are the ecomomy and Iraq. Neither Obama, Clinton or McCain have a clue on the economy. So that leaves Iraq. The best to worse scenarios for Iraq are:
  1. Ron Paul - Return to the non-interventionist foreign policy this country was founded on. Get out of Iraq and all other countries as well. Why do we need to be in Germany and Japan? Quit poking sticks in the hornets nests.
  2. Bush and McCain (stated objected) - Win the war in Iraq and bring democracy, peace and love.
  3. Obama - Get out of Iraq. Consequences? What consequences?
  4. Clinton - Get out of Iraq cause that's what I have to say to get elected even though I voted for going in the first place. But I was lied to.
  5. Bush and McCain (probable outcome) - Remain bogged down in Iraq indefinitely and bankrupt the country in the process.
  6. Democrats and Republicans alike cause there's no difference anymore except in what they have to say to get elected to power - (conspiracy theory that's probably true) The military nowadays is just a branch of the corporatocracy. When our benevolent foreign aide doesn't work in subjugating third world countries, send in the military. The empire must grow to survive.
Since the first two won't happen that leaves Obama by process of elimination. Boy this makes me excited to vote. Pleeeeeease run as an independent Ron.

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There is one difference between the parties and I see it as an important one. That is the difference in the types of court nominees that they appoint. The republican party seems to not care about civil liberties or religous freedoms or more to my viewpoint, freedom from religion.
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Old 04-17-2008   #103
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There is one difference between the parties and I see it as an important one. That is the difference in the types of court nominees that they appoint. The republican party seems to not care about civil liberties or religous freedoms or more to my viewpoint, freedom from religion.
Ron Paul has the answer to that too. Doesn't anyone see something is wrong when Americans feel their liberties hang by the nomination of a single non-elected supreme court judge? It was never intended to be that way. The supreme court has gotten way out of line.

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Old 04-17-2008   #104
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Lapel Pins...

Oh yeah, one more thing: American Flag Lapel Pins.
WTF! There were only two questions from voters and one is from a blue hair who is worried Obama doesn't wear an American Flag lapel pin? I see W with one all the time and I won't start on his record. So dissapointed with ABC.

On the mortages, I think this is a good example of what happens when capitalism goes unregulated.

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Ohhhhhh. Good point. What if when I'm running for president and campaigning in Pittsburgh, my opponent brings out airport security camera footage of erdvm1 putting the hit on that life-size statue of Franco Harris. End of my political career right there.
Well, there goes PA for ya. On the other hand, he's a Steeler right? Perhaps it would play well with half the state rooting for the Eagles.

On Ron Paul and Liberitarianism, I can't seem to find any examples of libertarian governments that are successful. I read the views and I like the idea but all I found was how the unregulated economy in Chile was a bad thing. I really haven't spent much time on it but would appreciate some links. Thanks,

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Old 04-17-2008   #105
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"What's troubling is the gap between the magnitude of our challenges and the smallness of our politics—the ease with which we are distracted by the petty and trivial."

~Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope, 2006

Last night, ABC illustrated his point...apparently, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos ran out of time before they could ask Obama why he's such a lousy bowler.
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Old 04-17-2008   #106
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Well, there goes PA for ya. On the other hand, he's a Steeler right? Perhaps it would play well with half the state rooting for the Eagles.
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I imagine I would loose the Bible Belt too if a You Tube video of "the brains" surfaced. Guess I'm not running for president.

I couldn't believe the whole flag pin thing either. Or the bitter comment. My God, this is what we choose our president based on?

My thought on the mortgage issue is let 'em drown. Bailing people out just teaches them that the government will always be there to clean up after their own stupidity. Maybe they'll be more careful next time. If, on the other hand, a mortgage company acted fraudulently, that is what the courts are for. Why does the government (and my tax dollars) have to get involved at all?

Libertarianism is a broad spectrum. The best example of a libertarian-type government that worked was the United States up until it turned into an corporatocracy. I believe Ron Paul is trying to get the nation back to the principles that made it great in the first place and were proven to work. No, it won't answer all the issues we have, and it would be a shock to a nation that has grown accustomed to not having any personal responsiblity. But it is a sound and proven base to build off of. Neither the Democrats or Republicans are addressing issue like the corporate takeover of the government, the Feds devaluation of the dollar, the ill effects of our interventionist foreign policy (one area I agree with Jeremiah Wright on but Obama is afraid to say he also agrees), excessive taxation combined with wasteful spending, and a national debt that is going to collapse the economy. I believe we'll go back to a libertarian type government eventually. But unfortunately not until after the entire house of cards has crumbled and we have to rebuild.
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Old 04-17-2008   #107
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"What's troubling is the gap between the magnitude of our challenges and the smallness of our politics—the ease with which we are distracted by the petty and trivial."

~Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope, 2006

Last night, ABC illustrated his point...apparently, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos ran out of time before they could ask Obama why he's such a lousy bowler.
That's a great quote and probably the reason why anyone who has half a brain or isn't a masochist won't ever run for president. Obama is probably rethinking his decision after last night's so called debate. It's also why someone like Paul can't get more than 5 minutes in a debate.
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Old 04-21-2008   #108
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Well, I was travelling and missed the debate. I saw highlights, and saw the Flag Pin question lady. She's a dousche. "I'm not questioning you're patriotism, but wouldn't you be more obvious a patriot if you had the pin on?"

Like someone else said: Bush wears one and where's that got us?

The question I'd like to ask John McCain:

About 60 to 65 percent of America wants the US to start drawing down US forces in Iraq. In a democracy, why should those 65 percent be asked to pay enormous amounts of money and lose irreplaceable lives for that 35 percent? How do you justify continuing a war that people obviously want to stop?

I rather liked what McCain said about bailing out the mortgage thing.

As for libertarianism:
The problem with libertarianism as a policy is that it presumes individuals are both capable of understanding their own lives, and willing to admit they alone are responsible for them. In a democracy, it seems to me conclusive that most people who vote aren't capable of either.
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McCain pledges more conservative judges - CNN.com

Every once and a while I am right. He is starting to sell his soul to the religous right.
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Old 05-10-2008   #110
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They should have hauled that flagpin moron lady off to Guantanamo and waterboarded her from now to eternity!!!!!It is that idiot worldview that has made our country a joke.How irrelevant can we get?

The only ones I hear promising to give away stuff is the Republicans with their tax cuts,isn't that saying they will give you money?OH' i forgot the rich stole it fair and square[ kind of convenient that they make the rules],they derive no benefit from the commons, the infrastructure or any other societal structures /systems,and it is they who create all wealth and prosperity[not those who do the work],puhleeze,we shouldn't tax the oil companies for ripping us blind.How about instead of taxing their profits ,we regulate there charges,not a percentage of OPEC'S PRICE BUT A PER BARREL HANDLING FEE,oh no wouldn't want government involved unless it is to help business fuck over mankind.The dems have consistently said they would keep the middle class and small business tax cuts ,just go back to old levels of tax on the wealthy and corporations,the reps continue to misrepresent this and conflate corporate taxes with average joe's taxes,the average rep sold out his country and the environment for $600.Blutski ,I don't have the facts to dispute your claim about revenues decreasing when you have windfall profits taxes,i know the arguement is that you get more revenue with more growth and taxes stiffle growth,but AM DUBIOUS OF THIS ASSERTION,can you support it?Didn't we have more growth and a budget surplus under Clintonian tax policy,not to mention money to fund government programs.How did we get to where we have to help the rich screw us or they will cripple the economy,completely at their mercy.
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