Election 08 thread No. 2

[Livingston]

Hillary will continue to provide fodder to the nuts in the right wing against Obama simply so that she has a shot at running again in 2012, preferably against someone on the right (McCain).

McCain will be a drooling, diaper wearing senile old fart in 2012. He's basically there now.

I caucused for Obama and I don't think it is too bad an idea to harden Obama in the primaries. The Rep's offensive will be much worse. I just find it a bit embarrassing for Hillary.

-d

[gh]

I think you are right about that. Any dirt that is available has already been dug up by the righties and they are just waiting for the right time to play their cards. Might as well dig it all out right now. McCain has to look for press right now and the dem's are on the front page. It could backfire, hard to say.

[heliodorus04]

For those of you not watching polls:

McCain's numbers have gone up by 11 points in the last 10 days. In most polls, he's within the margin of error to win the November general election.
Clinton is working harder than any Republican to get McCain elected.

[Livingston]

McCain up in the Polls?
WH2008: General
I don't see an 11 point rise.

Not to worry, neither Democratic candidate has had the time to knock him down where he belongs. He hasn't had to defend himself which prevents him from putting his foot in his senile old mouth, "The Hatfields are training the McCoys... I mean Iranians are training Al Quada. Uh, Islamic Militant Extremists. We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. Like the time I took the fairy to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. Give me five bees for a quarter you'd say. Now where were we, oh ya. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...", John Abe Simpson McCain.

-d

[heliodorus04]

Money quote first:

"What does it take to be the most liberal member of the United States Senate – farther left than Ted Kennedy, John Kerry or even Hillary Clinton? For the answer, take a look at a man who could be the next president of the United States: Barack Obama.
Sen. Obama was recently named the most liberal U.S. Senator, based on the annual voting analysis by the non-partisan and highly respected National Journal. If he emerges as the Democratic nominee, one of the critical jobs of Focus Action will be to uncover the real Barack Obama—not the feel-good orator who speaks of “change” and “hope,” but the man who would be the most left-wing president in our nation’s history.
Throughout our history, great Americans have stood up to grave challenges of all sorts. As this latest wave of secular liberalism threatens us, I look forward to standing shoulder to shoulder with you in prayer and action – in defense of the family,"

"Dr." James Dobson, of Focus on the Family

If ever there was a need for an assassin...

I hate that fucker.

Time to get their tax-exempt status revoked, don'tcha think?

[Livingston]

Time to get their tax-exempt status revoked, don'tcha think?

Agreed.
-d

[BigLoco]

Originally Posted by heliodorus04

So I'm reading this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/op...=1&oref=slogin

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I listen to people who declare themselves Hillary supporters (over Obama or anyone on the right) and I have to know: How can you defend what's going on?
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Its not hard to defend Hildog here...She believes she's the best candidate for office. She thinks Obama would be a bad president and a detriment to the party and to America. She's a cornered wolf that thinks she's the only serviceable alternative to McCain and that the only thing worse for the Democratic Party and America than McCain winning the presidency would be to have Obama win it.

There's a gallup poll that says 41% of Hildog's supporters would not vote for Obama should he win the Dems nomination. That tells me alot of her supporters feel the same.

[blutzski]

Just watched the democrap debate. What is it about the "vote for me and I'll give you stuff" platform that appeals to people? Well, I guess its obvious why it appeals to people, but more specifically why do people buy it? I guess it worked in grade school for class president, why not for the president of the US?

[Livingston]

I wasn't too impressed last night either. Too much garbage about Wright and "bitter", and sniper fire. Hillary looked desparate to make mud stick and Obama looked frustrated and on his heels through the first half. Both looked bad. The "you know this bad person" so "you must be a bad person too" stuff is more fitting for the checkout line at the grocery store. I know and associate with many assholes, Blutzki and I went to Gauly with a bunch of them. But that is not what makes me an asshole.

I find it ridiculous that no one will say "we need to increase taxes". I am not OK with China paying for our wars for the next 100 years. We f'ked up in Iraq, even though I dissagreed from the start, (thought Powell's speech didn't justify) I don't think giving the bill to future generations helps... well, helps pass the blame so Repub's can continue to get elected. We need to dig into our pockets, tighten our belts, and suffer a bit so we remember how shitty of a decision it was.

The side-stepping by O and C of how to pay for social security was frustrating. Am I the only one OK with paying taxes?

I didn't hear any "giving away of free stuff" though. I heard "this is the first war we haven't had to pay for". That to me sounds like that'll cost us. There was definitely a theme from Obama to reverse the trend of larger pay discrepencies between COEs and middle class, put a larger burden on corporations. That could be considered free stuff I guess.

I'm not opposed to Hillary's mention of Corporate windfall taxes either. Conoco's (I think it was Conoco) CEO was in Iraq pulling L. Paul Bremmer's strings to ensure the wells weren't privatized so the price of oil continued to climb. I am fine with them paying the lion's share of this war... but they will probably just move to Dubai like Haliburton to avoid the taxes.

I think big oil is scared shitless that this is their last year to really put the screws to us ($115 a barrel now) and will sprint to the finish (Jan. 2009) to fill their bank accounts. Wow, I'm way off on a tangent here.

Yeah, free stuff. Well, I didn't hear much last night on healt care, but that could probably be considered free stuff too. I have worked almost 5 years now for a Fortune 100 company and have only been to the doctor twice because it costs hundreds of dollars for the smallest of injuries. About $700 for a torn achilies and $300 for poison oak, yeah, f'kin poison oak!!! And I get billed multiple times for the same thing, get bills from 3 different departments within the hospital. It is so confusing and frustrating that I always end up spending more than my deductable somehow. I'm getting so pissed right now thinking about it that I need to move on.

-d

[elijah_lynn]

Go Ron Paul!!!