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Old 02-24-2005   #11
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Couldn't they just do it all with PhotoShop?


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Old 02-24-2005   #12
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Old 02-24-2005   #13
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Can we jump on it like a trampoline?
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Old 02-24-2005   #14
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I will enjoy watching you try. Will be cool to paddle without sunscreen.
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Old 02-24-2005   #15
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I will be happy to cover the Ark with cloth for $1 Mil. And, I'll up the stakes by providing beer and security, thus enhancing the whole experience.
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Old 02-24-2005   #16
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Ha, I found some pictures and the project sure looks funky:


It'd be kind of neat to paddle under that stuff, esp. on rainy days (because it rains so much here),

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Old 02-24-2005   #17
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Heck, after all of the water grabbers take all the water, they might think this is a nice replacement to actually having water in the river!
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Old 02-24-2005   #18
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I heard he was planning a torch lit parade after the cover is put up. Or was that me planning a torch lit parade?
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Old 02-24-2005   #19
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Reading the info on the website posted by Tom about The Gates project, it states that significant merchandising rights were donated by Christo's company to a NYC nature non-profit. If the same were done on the Ark project, there could be significant positive impacts for the Ark River Trust, Colorado Whitewater Association, and other non-profits. Every time a poster or post card with this image would be sold, money could go to organization(s) to help protect rivers, improve access, and benefit the WW community.

The money being talked about as contributed to the local economy for one season of construction and removal efforts would be a drop in the bucket compared to the long term merchandising potential created. This seems like a potential BIG win-win for everyone in the private boating community.

Hopefully someone at the Ark River Trust can talk with these folks, and see what the potential is here. I suspect there could be some type of agreement where a third-party company could administer all the merchandising rights, and then just write a check to our non-profit groups once or twice a year.

In addition to these potential benefits, it sounds like the Christo group is very aware of property rights, clean up, and project removal. The website talks about rafting under the fabric with out issue, and it appears by the sketches that safety at the river bank could be easily addressed. With the constraints discussed, it sounds to me like the location is down by Spikebuck where the canyon is tight and the road is directly by the river, or possibly up by Cotopaxi.

Why not?? I'll give it a float, and buy a few post cards to boot.
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Old 02-28-2005   #20
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I paddled the Gorge a few years ago with a woman from the DC museum of modern art who happeded to be a paddler and called me to get her into a boat. Once we were on the water she sort of let me know that she was out on the Ark with Christo's crew and she was acting as a de-facto agent of Christo in order to sort of guage the paddling community's temperature on this project which has been in the works since the mid-90's.

I was sort of anti a few years ago when I was feeling more militant, however this woman (can't recall her name) helped me come around. Christo and Jeane Cluade are in this stuff for the passion, pure and simple. They are not in fact rich all of the money they earn goes right back into their next wacky idea. I think this stuff is pretty cool. I mean how can I critize someone's vision, mine is a 8'standing wave with a foam pile in downtown Salida (not yet realized next shot this April) their's is hanging big curtains and shit.

This project would be great for our valley. Another critical element is the fact that he wants to do this above and thorough Parkdale. With a few noted exceptions that stretch is made up of RR rip-rap on one side and highway rip-rap on the other. Very little habitat value. Maybe his crew will leave it in better shape then they found it. Maybe we will milk them for enough cash to do some bank restoration in that stretch, either way I hope it happens.

I am going to try and dig up their EIS. I think they did one. If I find it I will post it on the Ark River Trust web site.

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