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Old 04-09-2012   #11
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Originally Posted by mr. compassionate View Post
Agreed finding an alternative would be good but "doubling down" on renewables as Obama says after he's wasted close to a trillion dollars on bankrupt company loans is not the answer. The volt uses energy from coal which is our dirtiest eco unfriendly alternative. If we built nuclear and used that to charge batteries maybe then it would be a viable alternative.
  1. $535 MILLION is not close to a trillion dollars. Either you aren't familiar with the issue or you're really bad at numbers.
  2. The US makes loan guarantees to all kinds of projects. In fact, the Solyndra deal represents just 1.2% of the overall DOE program. Just last year it made an $8 BILLION loan guarantee for a nuke plant in deep Red Georgia, and is reviewing nuke plants in red states SC and Texas.
  3. Solyndra had raised almost 3/4 of a billion dollars pf private money before its loan guarantee application (begun in 2006 in Bush's DOE) was approved. Market conditions caused the KW price of solar to crash - it wasn't bad technology, more just bad luck with the market and the company's liquidity position.
  4. I would take the O&G industries reserve claims of "100's of years" with a huge grain of salt. The data they rely on includes the widest possible limits of recoverability - if you go conservative with just the "proven" and "probable" reserves:
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Old 04-10-2012   #12
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It's easy to say there are 100 years of oil & gas left when you don't mention the price.

There will definitely be oil and gas for sale in 100 years, but it will probably cost >10x of today's prices.

There will definitely not be oil and gas in 10 years at today's prices.

Economies don't like shocks. We should start to move away from oil and gas slowly.

Finding the stuff and getting it out of the ground is getting harder and harder.

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Old 04-10-2012   #13
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It is really more about CO2 and global warming, than running out of oil. As has been pointed out, we have quite a bit of fossil fuels and running out is not the motivation for advanced transportation.
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talk all you want about reducing CO2 emissions, but no one in their right mind would by a Volt. Using GM's own overly optimistic performance numbers show that it would take over 20 years for it to pay for itself - so, of course it never would (and that's including the huge tax rebate). Ultimately, the volt is a net increase polluter when compared to a similar non-electric vehicle. So if you are concerned about co2 emissions, don't buy a volt.
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Okay, let me get this straight...

Okay, I go out and buy a Chevy Volt...

What's it run on? - It's electric

That means no greenhouse gases, way cool fool..

Hmmm how is electricity made? -- Coal, Nuclear, etc. (Solar and wind combined do not have the potential to generate all power needs of the consumer)

Well, that we got back our greenhouse gases again, damn carbon footprint!

How far can it go? -- Oh...about 40 miles the way you drive.

Damn, I guess I won't make it to Vail for Teva Games from Denver, eh? -- Yup

Can it go off-road? - Nope

Will it take a kayak rack? -- probably not very easily, besides, that will weigh it down even more.

That sucks. -- yup, sure does.

What's it good for then? -- people who stay home and watch a lot of America Doesn't have Talent or Dancing With The Boors.

Ah well, I guess I'll keep my truck.....

And the Lord said, let there be whitewater. So on Friday, the 13th day of the month....
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