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Old 04-29-2008   #1
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Check out these holes

The Glory Hole.

Amazing Holes
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Old 04-30-2008   #2
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Too bad the biggest a-holes are in the whitehouse right now!
Remember 2001? Katrina? Mission accomplished? Bring it on? Enron? Bush's lack of a real energy policy? Terri Schiavo? THE DEFICIT? The justice department circus show with Alberto Gonzales? Tom Delay? Carl Rove.........

And remember there is no inflation (just take out food and fuel out of the equation because you surely do not need to eat or drive anywhere!).

This is all proof there is no intelligent design in the whitehouse and the current republican party, the new party of big goverment and wasteful spending!
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I gotta say after this administration, it amazes me that someone could even mention big spending and democrat in the same sentence. Let go of the old stereotypes and make your own decisions.
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Old 04-30-2008   #4
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not meant to be political

I thought the holes were cool. This country was bought and sold years ago and your fates have been decided for you. politicaly anyhow, enjoy your new president John McCain. This country is a show. hillary, obama, hillary, obama. You are fools to believe either will be president. F- the president. F- Democracy. F- this countrys new outlook on bullshit and the best you can do for yourself is love your family, save money, and do not feed into the system. I really am going to stop now, It upsets me.

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Old 04-30-2008   #5
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OK, sure, I'll argue on the internet...

I always love how conservatives point to whoever the Dem running is and pull the "they're going to raise your taxes" stuff" (though the guy apparently forgot the other fearmongering part about taking your guns away). Right now the Repugnicans are forgetting that if there's one thing worse than a "tax and spend" mentality, it when you borrow and spend.

At least when the Democrats have done their "tax and spend" gig, the spending has been on things like highways and education, pulling people out of poverty (or at least trying), and the like. Lots of these have made our economy more sound by providing infrastructure and a better educated workforce.

The conservatives and neo-cons have been stroking everyone by telling us all that the US can engage in expensive wars and give lots of tax breaks at the same time as if the bill's never going to come due. Well, the last time I know of that we paid off some of our national debt, it was a guy from Arkansas that was president, and he was on track to pay it all off by 2013.

Since the Republicans have been in power they've DOUBLED the national debt to $10 trillion (that's ten thousand billion dollars...) or roughly $30K for every single US citizen. And this number doesn't even count interest we'll have to pay to the Chinese who hold the lion's share of our nation's debt.

And all that debt's just going to get passed on down to the next generation. No one ever talked about the fact there's a point of diminishing returns on the Laffer curve. I wonder just what the conservatives are trying to conserve - it certainly doesn't seem like they care about conserving our way of life in post-WWII America...

So here are some more "big holes" we've seen with W so far - and that we can expect to continue if we elect Mr "more of the same" McCain:
  • 4000 graves in military cemetaries
  • Holes in the arguments to go to war - Saddam never had weapons of mass destruction and his secularist regime was hated by islamis fundamentalist al Queda
  • potholes in our nations highways, crumbling bridges, and decaying schools
  • government subsidized oil drilling to help oil companies continue reaping record-breaking profits (we're giving the most profitable industry tax incentives to drill?!?)
  • strip mines and mountaintop removals
But heaven forbid we let Hillary or Obama raise our taxes!
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Old 04-30-2008   #6
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Not the be afraid, fear mongers again!

Why do conservative republicans even raft or kayak? If your swindlers in the government got/get their way, there would be no water to boat. It would all be diverted to feed some ugly cities medians, lawns, and other wasteful uses while fleecing the AMERICAN public.

The republicans have never meet a dollar they could not steal, or a person, and their grandkids, that they could not bleed dry.

And the environment, well guess what, bobbuilds, with out the environment, there is no business. And the neocons are doing their best to destroy OUR COUNTRY.

Look at all the great imperialist military economies, they all fell do to their own incompetence. The current republicans have proven with out a doubt, that they are incompetent and corrupt, time and time again.

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Bob, the holes were cool. The politics didnt jib with mine currently so if I concentrated on the wrong portion of the link, I apologize. Your comments however make me sound like Mr. Sunshine compared to the doom and gloom you are spewing out. Go have a beer and go to your happy place.
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Why do conservative republicans even raft or kayak? If your swindlers in the government got/get their way, there would be no water to boat. It would all be diverted to feed some ugly cities medians, lawns, and other wasteful uses while fleecing the AMERICAN public.

The republicans have never meet a dollar they could not steal, or a person, and their grandkids, that they could not bleed dry.

And the environment, well guess what, bobbuilds, with out the environment, there is no business. And the neocons are doing their best to destroy OUR COUNTRY.

Look at all the great imperialist military economies, they all fell do to their own incompetence. The current republicans have proven with out a doubt, that they are incompetent and corrupt, time and time again.
ahaha thats funny cause i see it every single one of them is corrupt.

you have obama who has 0 experience and can't even decide what the hell is going on with the racial issue. there are 0 boundries these days the afro american youth need to get out of the rap lifestyle route it drags them all down.....guns over education is how i think they see it.

hilary, who forgets that she really has 0 experiecne she just lies to herself and everybody else. i wonder how see even got the position as senator? maybe a little money?

mccain is straight up average corrupt. i would rather go with the corrupt dude cause he at least has experience to lead a country.

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The kind of experience McCain has to lead the country will continue to lead us exactly where we've been going for the last 8 years.

Hilary is where she is because not only does she have money, she wants more of ours.

Obama is the only candidate who, despite a lack of experience, can solidly express how things should be changed and how he will make that happen.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues

Saying things like "afro american youth need to get out of the rap lifestyle route it drags them all down.....guns over education is how i think they see it" only perpetuates racial stereotyping. Most school shootings have involved white gunmen and though I don't really like rap music, rappers such as Tupac Shakur, Ice Cube, and Twista have dedicated a lot of their music to condemning violence and promoting healthy, productive lifestyles for black youths.

Blanket statements concerning one race is a major cause of the fear and hatred that caused this country to support this ridiculous war in the first place.
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The kind of experience McCain has to lead the country will continue to lead us exactly where we've been going for the last 8 years.

Hilary is where she is because not only does she have money, she wants more of ours.

Obama is the only candidate who, despite a lack of experience, can solidly express how things should be changed and how he will make that happen.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues

Saying things like "afro american youth need to get out of the rap lifestyle route it drags them all down.....guns over education is how i think they see it" only perpetuates racial stereotyping. Most school shootings have involved white gunmen and though I don't really like rap music, rappers such as Tupac Shakur, Ice Cube, and Twista have dedicated a lot of their music to condemning violence and promoting healthy, productive lifestyles for black youths.

Blanket statements concerning one race is a major cause of the fear and hatred that caused this country to support this ridiculous war in the first place.
most inschool shooting involve whites. what about the shit on the street since the kids that choose guns over education aren't really in the class room= alot more deaths.

and for the rappers that preach for the good of society great but win your preaching about sippin on syrup and im going to shot these ****** . there are lots of different kinds of lazy people, race and poverty aren't really that important because in america you can have poor parents but whats cool is you can still work your way up and actully have something in yourlife to be proud of. they need to get an education which is free and start the journey.

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